[170469] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ARIN board accountability to network operators (was: RE:
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John Curran)
Thu Mar 27 18:01:37 2014
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From: John Curran <jcurran@istaff.org>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 06:01:08 +0800
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
Cc: David Huberman <David.Huberman@microsoft.com>,
John Curran <jcurran@arin.net>,
North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
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And I would welcome discussion of how ARIN (and nanog) can be more like RIPE=
- that is very much up to this community and its participation far more tha=
n ARIN..
/John
> On Mar 28, 2014, at 5:27 AM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
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> john,
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> i think your attemt to move the discussion to the arin ppml list
> exemplifies one core of the problem. this is not about address policy,
> but arin thinks of itelf as a regulator not a registry.
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> contrast with the ripe community and the ncc, which is not nirvana but
> is a hell of a lot better. among other key differences, the ncc is
> engaged with the community through technical and business working
> groups.
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> e.g. the database working group covers what you think of as whois and
> the routing registry. the wg developed the darned irr definition and
> continues to evolve it. consequence? the irr is actively used in two
> regions in the world, europe and japan (which likes anything ocd:-).
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> the routing wg works with the ops to develop routing technology such as
> route flap damping. there is a reason that serious ops attend ripe
> meetings. yes, a whole lot of folk with enable are engaged.
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> for years there has been a wg on the global layer nine issues.
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> the dns wg deals with reverse delegation, root server ops, etc. and
> guess what, all the dns heavy techs and ops are engaged.
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> there is a wg for discussing what services the ncc offers. the recent
> simplification and opening of services to legacy and PI holders happened
> in the ncc services wg, it was about services not addressing policy.
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> and this is aside from daniel's global measurement empire. not sure it
> is a registry's job to do this, but it is a serious contribution to the
> internet.
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> the ncc is engaged with its community on the subhects that actually
> interest operators and affect our daily lives.
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> there is nothing of interest at an arin meeting, a bunch of junior
> wannabe regulators and vigilantes making an embarrassing mess. i've
> even taken to skipping nanog, if ras talks i can watch the recording.
> all the cool kids will be in warsaw. ops vote with our feet.
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> randy
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