[170210] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Mon Mar 24 23:39:58 2014
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <9578293AE169674F9A048B2BC9A081B4B54222B9@MUNPRDMBXA1.medline.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:32:35 -0700
To: "Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund@medline.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
This assumes installing a single home on demand.
In reality, if you=92re going to implement what Jay and I are =
suggesting, then you dig up a neighborhood at a time and drop a bunch of =
strands of fiber (I=92d guess 8 or 16 as likely numbers) per household.
Owen
On Mar 24, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Naslund, Steve <SNaslund@medline.com> =
wrote:
> Thinking about this again, let's take Jay at his word that he can make =
a "passing" for $700-800. Unfortunately, the ISP or service provider =
does not pay for a passing, they pay for an entry. After all we can't =
let them make their own entry or we will have everyone and their brother =
in our splice case. We will also have third world aerial spaghetti as =
they all run their own drop cables using God knows who as "skilled =
labor". I will take my home here in residential Chicago as a best case =
example because the neighborhood is dense. All of our utilities here =
are aerial so there are no underground conduits available to you. I =
assume to keep costs down you are going to try to use what's there and =
go aerial. If you are in the suburbs that cable is all underground so =
at a minimum you will need a directional boring machine and put in the =
necessary pedestals and hand holes. In this county you are required to =
use conduit every time you go under a public street as well. I digress =
though, let's take the easy case. =20
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> 1. You need to decide how many strands you are going to drop to my =
home. You could drop a single fiber or pair but then you have to put =
mux equipment on the end of it. After all I want choice and that might =
include TV from provider X, phone from provider Y, and high speed data =
from provider Z.
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> 2. Since you are the sole provider of the physical layer, you now =
have to roll a two man crew with a bucket truck and an experienced =
splicer. By the way, this is Chicago so we have to have a two man crew =
at a minimum and they are both IBEW union contractors since this city =
will NEVER hire non-union labor. Figure they might have a 20-30 minute =
drive here is traffic cooperates. They get paid hourly so they don't =
much care how long it takes but let's say they are feeling frisky today =
and only take about two hours on the job itself plus the hour of travel.
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> 3. Let's assume that the best case exists and the splice case is =
directly in my alley behind my house. Your crew needs to splice a drop =
cable in at the splice case (you did pay to install the splice cases =
right?) and run it about 100 ft to the back of my house and anchor it to =
my brick home at the prescribed height above ground. You can't get the =
bucket truck in my yard so they break out the extension ladder. In most =
case though the splice case will not be that close and certainly can't =
afford to put a case at every home at $700 per passing. So in reality =
that cable probably runs to the alley and several poles down the block, =
they have to anchor that cable at every poll so Tarzan can't use your =
fiber for fun.
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> 4. Now that they have the cable at my house you have to place a MPOE =
(minimum point of entry) device on my house. That box probably costs a =
couple bucks and has to be anchored into brick.
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> Are we getting closer to that $2,400 per home yet? What if this is =
the suburbs and you have to direct bury enough cable to reach the =
pedestal on the corner and cross my one acre lot with it?
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> Steven Naslund
> Chicago IL
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Ashworth [mailto:jra@baylink.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:25 PM
> To: NANOG
> Subject: Re: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica
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> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steve Naslund" <SNaslund@medline.com>
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>>> What do you mean by average monthly bill? That is the issue here. =
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>>> average monthly bill includes the services you are getting. In the=20=
>>> Chicago area a fiber optic access circuit unbundled from the=20
>>> imcumbent carrier to a competitive carrier is something like $10 a =
month or so.
>>> How could you possibly think you can fund a build out in a new area=20=
>>> for that price? It may be possible to pay for that over 20 years. =
The
>> problem is that no one goes into business to break even over 20 =
years.
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>> Well, Steve, happens we had this conversation in some detail last =
year when I was up for a City IT director position, and contemplating =
fibering
>> 12,000 passings.
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>> The magic number is apparently $700-800 per passing, not the $2400 =
you seem to suggest...
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