[169935] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on Technica
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Naslund, Steve)
Fri Mar 21 10:25:39 2014
From: "Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund@medline.com>
To: "Sholes, Joshua" <Joshua_Sholes@cable.comcast.com>, Larry Sheldon
<larrysheldon@cox.net>, "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 14:25:09 +0000
In-Reply-To: <CF51C032.FA76%Joshua_Sholes@cable.comcast.com>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
>>How do you get around the problem of natural monopolies, then? Or shoul=
d
>>we be moving to a world where, say, a dozen or more separate companies ar=
e all running fiber or coax on the poles on my street in an effort to get t=
o my >>house?
We already did it. The Telecommunications Act allows competitive service p=
roviders to buy access circuits on the incumbents infrastructure. There ar=
e some limitations in that you can't always get competitive access to new n=
etworks like FIOS (this to allow the incumbent to recoup their costs by exc=
lusive access for some period of time). The access rates are low only when=
the infrastructure is already in the ground. That is why the new stuff is=
not factored in.
>>IMHO, the only way to get real competition on the last mile is to have th=
e actual fiber/wire infrastructure being owned by a neutral party that's re=
quired to >>pass anyone's traffic.
Nice idea, too bad no one can make any money on building infrastructure but=
not selling the services on top of it. Remember Global Crossing? You are=
asking one company to put up all the capital expense and then try to recov=
er it by allowing access to their infrastructure to anyone at low rates. N=
ot gonna work. Just on a piece of paper, figure out what it costs to get f=
iber to your neighborhood from the nearest central office and then how much=
you have to charge to pay for that. If you can get a reasonable price tha=
t returns your investment within 20 years, I will be impressed.
The other way that is often suggested is that the municipality own the back=
bone. That might work except they want to tax you and then also nail the s=
ervice providers so they do exclusive deals like you see in cable franchise=
s that screw the consumer.
Steven Naslund
On 3/21/14, 12:28 AM, "Larry Sheldon" <LarrySheldon@cox.net> wrote:
>On 3/20/2014 10:47 PM, David Miller wrote:
>> Unless I am reading the tea leaves wrong "competition" will require
>> "regulation".
>
>"regulation" prevents "competition". That is why people want regulation.
>
>Look at this thread at the people who do not want to be competed-with at
>L1, for example.
>
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