[168996] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: carrier comparison
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Adam Greene)
Sat Feb 8 09:07:38 2014
From: "Adam Greene" <maillist@webjogger.net>
To: "'nanog list'" <nanog@nanog.org>
In-Reply-To: <1071594870.664942.1391809368351.JavaMail.root@snappytelecom.net>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 09:07:05 -0500
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Hi all,
Just wanted to say thanks to all who replied on and off list to my =
original inquiry.=20
I'd sum up feedback as follows:
- Although Cogent has been surprisingly good for some, in general almost =
everyone agreed that it should never be relied upon as your main =
Internet provider. As a secondary link, they are a good value.
- People had generally good feedback about Level3
- Having one carrier provide service over another carrier=E2=80=99s =
fiber is generally not a problem. Sometimes it adds complication when =
things go wrong (and a couple people had some pretty extreme cases to =
share), but in general most people did not recommend shying away from =
this kind of relationship.=20
- Time Warner also received positive reviews in general as a carrier
I was also surprised how many small ISPs like us are on the NANOG list. =
I kinda assumed most of you were big operators that dwarf us. It's great =
to have received perspectives from both large and small operators. =20
Thanks again, everyone.=20
Adam
-----Original Message-----
From: Faisal Imtiaz [mailto:faisal@snappytelecom.net]=20
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 4:43 PM
To: Vlade Ristevski
Cc: nanog list
Subject: Re: carrier comparison
This is exactly what I thought had happened....The outage that affected =
you was one our two routers up-stream from your connection to that =
provider.
I am not trying to defend any Carrier, but there is no 'routing =
protocol' what will react to this kind of an issue.....
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net=20
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vlade Ristevski" <vristevs@ramapo.edu>
> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 3:57:00 PM
> Subject: Re: carrier comparison
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> We don't get a default route from them. At the time of the outage my=20
> bgp session was up and I had a full routing table from them. I didn't =
> have much time to troubleshoot it in that state since we were down so=20
> I had to disable the session ASAP. Once the RFO comes in, I'll be=20
> asking a lot more questions about it. My only experience with BGP is=20
> as a customer so I'm not too familiar with the intricacies on the=20
> provider side. We had an outage in the AM the same day and we failed=20
> over just fine. I'm very curious why the same didn't happen in the =
evening.
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> On 2/7/2014 3:03 PM, Bryan Socha wrote:
> > Did you verify your problem was announcements on the other side of =
the
> > outage? This sounds to me like you are using a bgp announced =
default
> > route from cogent which is always sent. I think the problem was =
you
> > were sending traffic out a path that was broken. Since you =
mentioned
> > your outbound balancing this would explain some packet loss and not=20
> > 100% loss.
> >
> >
> > Bryan Socha
> > Network Engineer
> > DigitalOcean
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> --
> Vlade Ristevski
> Network Manager
> IT Services
> Ramapo College
> (201)-684-6854
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