[167241] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Joshua Goldbard)
Thu Dec 5 02:59:47 2013
From: Joshua Goldbard <j@2600hz.com>
To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 07:59:29 +0000
In-Reply-To: <px4edcgjgc0k59rvsf6xo1mv.1386228596275@email.android.com>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Tier 1 ISPs engage in settlement-free peering. Everyone else pays for trans=
it.
I had a giant reply about politics but figured I'd save everyone the readin=
g time.
Suffice it to say, the regulatory environment in Wireless is different. It =
costs more money than their model allows for you to use their service. They=
are not making the profits they need to and cut the service, it's that sim=
ple. Roaming costs money, you're not crazy, this is 2013.
A DS1 and a cellular link are completely different.
Cheers,
Joshua
P.S. A puck with 10GB is a ton of data; I'd also wager you couldn't use the=
full 10GB on a roaming tower without a warning, but I could be wrong.
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 4, 2013, at 11:30 PM, "Warren Bailey" <wbailey@satelliteintelligence=
group.com<mailto:wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>> wrote:
Blanket reply.. :)
So at what point does unlimited mean unlimited? Roaming agreements have alw=
ays been two sided. In my case.. I roam on to AT&T's network, the same as A=
T&T folk roam into tmo when they do not have coverage. At the end of the mo=
nth the two are reconciled and someone gets paid. If you are selling a serv=
ice that is making generalized assurances in connectivity (nationwide 4g le=
t netwokr) , you should make a best effort to honor that. It wasn't even a =
fair amount of bandwidth.. I could deal with a 2gb a month cap or something=
.. But I am now able to use my unlimited data in 100 countries without incu=
rring additional charges.. Are we going to start saying that international =
roaming costs are lower than domestic on a regularly used network?
I literally feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. Tmo and Att are far from=
small fish.. And a 50mb per month cap is absolute bullshit. Figure it into=
your business line.. Or do the honest thing and don't offer the service. H=
ow you guys are justifying this is BEYOND me. You can buy a ds1 for several=
hundred dollars per month.. And unlimited customers get 50 megs a month fo=
r data.. You can't even check email over the month on that. I'm not an abus=
ive user.. I don't download or use my cellular data connection for hacked h=
otspot use.. Not to mention the hotspot I do have with them has 10gb a mont=
h nationwide.. So I can use my puck for 10gb..but my phone (on the SAME TOW=
ER) is different?
That is like saying sms costs network providers money.. (don't bring up ran=
gear or smsc costs.. It's not related)
Sent from my Mobile Device.
-------- Original message --------
From: Joshua Goldbard <j@2600hz.com<mailto:j@2600hz.com>>
Date: 12/04/2013 4:10 PM (GMT-09:00)
To: Henry Yen <henry@AegisInfoSys.com<mailto:henry@AegisInfoSys.com>>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..
Ting is an MVNO (just like my company 2600hz) and while it would violate th=
e terms of my NDA to confirm the 10x number I can say that we found it to b=
e prohibitively expensive.
One should be aware that, just like in the IP transit world, the small play=
ers have different rules than the big kids. It might be prohibitively expen=
sive for us, but it's a different order of magnitude for a carrier like Spr=
int proper.
Hope that helps.
Cheers,
Joshua
P.S. shameless plug: we provide white-label cellular service to operators i=
ncluding full provisioning and call control plus it can be tied back into c=
orporate phone systems (and it's open source!!).
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 4, 2013, at 2:59 PM, "Henry Yen" <henry@AegisInfoSys.com<mailto:henr=
y@AegisInfoSys.com>> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 22:18:12PM +0000, Joshua Goldbard wrote:
>> ... When you send your data
>> over a partners network it raises your wireless company's cost of
>> delivering service, in some cases so much so that you become
>> unprofitable.
>
> Some folks over at Ting(.com) suggest that the cost for data roaming is a=
s
> high as ten times that for voice/SMS roaming, which is why they don't cha=
rge
> extra for the latter, and do not at all provide the former.
>
> --
> Henry Yen <Henry.Yen@Aegis00.com<mailto:Henry.Yen@Aegis00.com>> =
Aegis Information Systems, Inc.
> Senior Systems Programmer Hicksville, New York
> (800) AEGIS-00 x949 1-800-AEGIS-00 (800-234-4=
700)
>
>
