[167219] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: AT&T UVERSE Native IPv6, a HOWTO
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Wed Dec 4 15:58:11 2013
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1312042130160.24602@uplift.swm.pp.se>
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 12:56:22 -0800
To: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
Cc: NANOG List <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Dec 4, 2013, at 12:35 , Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2013, Owen DeLong wrote:
>=20
>> significantly worse policies than wireline providers. Wireless =
bandwidth is rapidly approaching parity with wired bandwidth pricing at =
consumer levels.
>=20
> Have you seen the cost of an LTE base station including install and =
monthly fees? If you did, you wouldn't make that claim.
>=20
Nope... I look at the consumer side pricing and the fact that cellular =
providers by and large are NOT losing money. I assume that means that =
the rest of the math behind the scenes must work somehow.
> If you want to deliver not even close to speed parity to fiber, you =
need multiple base stations per city block. This is extremely cost =
prohivitive, especially since you need fiber to the base stations =
anyway.
I'd love fiber, but I can't even get fiber in my neighborhood (or most =
of the civilized portions of the US) because fiber deployments are =
concentrated where rural subsidies are available due to USF market =
manipulations.
> Btw, if I could convince everybody in my building to pay 400 USD =
install for fiber, I could get 100/100 Internet conenctivity for USD10 =
per month. There just isn't any way in the world this is doable with =
wireless.
Yeah, I'm sure there are all kinds of ways that wireline could be made =
cheaper, etc. However, I'm talking about comparing consumer pricing, not =
behind the scenes costs as the former is relatively easy to compare on =
even footing while the later is far to obfuscated by far too many =
parties to ever have a rational debate.
> Don't make the mistake of comparing the dysfunctional US market =
pricing levels with what is actually doable in a working market.
I said nothing about what was possible... I only comment on what is =
actually happening. If you know how to achieve a functioning market in =
the US, I'm all ears. In the mean time, dysfunction is all I have =
available to work with.
Owen
