[165802] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: iOS 7 update traffic
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (TR Shaw)
Fri Sep 20 05:34:09 2013
From: TR Shaw <tshaw@oitc.com>
In-Reply-To: <CADE4tYVdWacoH=Zps=WPVUXwb2B1NVN=rP=vGc6tUYoQmsb=Uw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 05:33:53 -0400
To: Brandon Galbraith <brandon.galbraith@gmail.com>
Cc: "<nanog@nanog.org>" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Just as a note.
On Sep 19, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Brandon Galbraith wrote:
> 1) Rate limit the software update download ("Us")
>=20
> 2) Have device OS download the update in the background, and be =
resilient
> to failures with retries ("Manufacturer")
>=20
Apple already does this in the iTunes update the ios device mode.
> 3) Don't present the update notification to the user until the update =
blob
> is already cached on the device ("Manufacturer")
>=20
Apple also already does this. However, manual checks/updates can be =
done. When there is so much buzz on the news and given Apple customers =
zeal a large percentage manually invoke the update.
> Only in a perfect world though.
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> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:49 PM, joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> =
wrote:
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>> On 9/19/13 3:29 PM, Warren Bailey wrote:
>>> Your software updates (you meaning a user of the Internet) should =
not
>> affect my experience. I'm not advocating we go back to 5.25 floppies =
and
>> never look back. I'm asking..
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>>> Is there a way for a COMPUTER and PHONE manufacturer to distribute =
their
>> software without destroying most last mile connectivity?
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>>> Who else has had traffic surges like this?
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>> Flash traffic occurs, sometimes people fly planes into things, =
sometimes
>> nuclear reactors melt down, earthquakes or hurricanes occur or =
cables
>> are segmented due to underwater landslides. and what infrastructure =
that
>> is left shifts abruptly from terrestrial to sattelite or gets =
droppped
>> on the floor. the best you can ask for on an instantanious basis is
>> graceful degredation under load.
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>> this happens to not be weather.so maybe you can do something about =
it.
>> but ultimately a certain number of bytes have to be transfered and =
given
>> the architecture, the flash was driven by the consumer and not by
>> software automation, if we want the later to control it consumer =
choice
>> has to be taken out of the loop, which may or may not be palatable.
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>>> And who else has a Nanog strike team coming in screaming buy more
>> bandwidth? ;)
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>>> Sent from my Mobile Device.
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>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Ryan Harden <hardenrm@uchicago.edu>
>>> Date: 09/19/2013 3:04 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>> To: Jeroen van Aart <jeroen@mompl.net>
>>> Cc: "<nanog@nanog.org>" <nanog@nanog.org>
>>> Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
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>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Jeroen van Aart <jeroen@mompl.net> =
wrote:
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>>>> On 09/19/2013 12:06 PM, Ryan Harden wrote:
>>>>> As a side note, how are some of you not aware of this? This has
>> happened with every single Apple OS update since the iPhone was =
released in
>> 2007.
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>>>> The difference is there are now a "couple" more million devices out
>> there than there were in 2007. And in 2007 there was just the one =
phone,
>> now you have tablets and what have you.
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>>> The effect has been relatively the same regardless of how many =
iDevices
>> there are. Network Operators have seen spikes during Apple OS =
releases
>> since they started. The only leeway I'll give you is that the =
original
>> iPhone only supported 802.11b. With .11n and someday .11ac, the =
ability for
>> these devices to consume data at a faster rate is also increasing.
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>>>>> This isn't a new phenomenon. I realize some of you are too cool =
for
>> Apple
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>>>> Lame low ball remark, however I thought it was the opposite,
>> Apple=3D=3Dcoolness?
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>>> This was in no way meant to be a lowball remark. But it doesn't take
>> much searching to find people exclaiming how they have zero Apple =
devices
>> or how they don't pay attention to Apple's "iJunk". I assumed =
(probably
>> mistakenly) that the lack of knowing this is going to happen roughly =
2-3
>> times a year was due to being 'too cool' to keep up with the stuff =
Apple
>> puts out.
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>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jeroen
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>>>> --
>>>> Earthquake Magnitude: 5.3
>>>> Date: 2013-09-19 17:25:09.350 UTC
>>>> Location: 19km ESE of Ishikawa, Japan
>>>> Latitude: 37.0716; Longitude: 140.6495
>>>> Depth: 22.22 km | e-quake.org
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