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Re: iOS 7 update traffic
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Warren Bailey)
Thu Sep 19 17:57:43 2013
From: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
To: Fred Reimer <freimer@freimer.org>, "Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu"
<Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 21:29:10 +0000
In-Reply-To: <CE60DF29.2DD2D%freimer@freimer.org>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Reply-To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
So you understand things aren't always metro e.. That's what I was trying t=
o say. I still have a coupler.. ;)
Sent from my Mobile Device.
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From: Fred Reimer <freimer@freimer.org>
Date: 09/19/2013 2:14 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>,Valdis.Kletnieks=
@vt.edu
Cc: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>,Paul Ferguson <fergdawgster@mykol=
ab.com>,NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
Actually, I started out with a 300 baud acoustic modem. You know, the kind=
where you take the handset and jam it into two cups? But I digress=85
From: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com<mailto:wbailey@=
satelliteintelligencegroup.com>>
Reply-To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com<mailto:wbai=
ley@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>>
Date: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:00 PM
To: Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu<mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.ed=
u>>
Cc: Fred Reimer <freimer@freimer.org<mailto:freimer@freimer.org>>, Mikael A=
brahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se<mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se>>, Paul Ferguson <ferg=
dawgster@mykolab.com<mailto:fergdawgster@mykolab.com>>, NANOG <nanog@nanog.=
org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
I'm willing and open to hear anyone who has successfully had that conversat=
ion with their users.
When network congestion occurs, we typically see a mass exodus from whateve=
r website was being used to Speedtest.. You know.. Just to make sure the in=
ternets are fast. I'm trying to highlight a point that not all of us have s=
tudly 1gbps connections to Akamai. Some of us have to move data into orbit =
and back.. Some of us are not like the rest of you. These types of situatio=
ns should not happen in general.. We live in the future. This is like sendi=
ng a bulk fax to every user on a switch, and when the other users get busy =
signals I somehow need to realign my view of reality.
A single Internet point or software update should not cause all of this dis=
cussion. You guys are collectively posting hundreds of gbps for basically a=
single software update, and comparing it to point releases from vendors.
Why do I feel like many of you are spoiled with all of this cheap and fast =
bandwidth? Do you guys not remember your 9600bps modem?
Many of you would have suffered heart failure if I sent you a 100mb file on=
ly 10 years ago. Keep that in mind.. Not everyone has their Internet coming=
off the end of an sfp.
Sent from my Mobile Device.
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From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu<mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>
Date: 09/19/2013 1:42 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com<mailto:wbailey@sa=
telliteintelligencegroup.com>>
Cc: Fred Reimer <freimer@freimer.org<mailto:freimer@freimer.org>>,Mikael Ab=
rahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se<mailto:swmike@swm.pp.se>>,Paul Ferguson <fergda=
wgster@mykolab.com<mailto:fergdawgster@mykolab.com>>,NANOG <nanog@nanog.org=
<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:18:29 -0000, Warren Bailey said:
Reversing a few paragraphs to make a point.
> We strive to provide a great customer experience, and when "Hardware Make=
r
> X" decides to roll updates .. It can screw us. In this case, can means
> absolutely will happen.
> I mean, would it be THAT hard to enable a bonjour update server on an
> apple router/computer/whatever and serve things up locally from there?
> I've had many replies to this email already, and people are talking about
> upgrading bandwidth and CDN's
So why didn't you?
> Things are not created equal amongst internet providers, a transponder
> (90mbps ish) runs us close to 160k a month and that's not including gear
> costs, teleport, etc.
And you pay Apple *how* much to guarantee that they don't do things that
upset the business model you consciously chose to use? Oh, you don't
pay them? And your users pay *you* to ensure that when they hit 'Download'=
,
that magical things happen? And iOS downloads are user pulls, not Apple
pushes?
Sounds to me like you and your users need to have a chat about what they
pay for and what their expectations should be.....
