[165157] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Vancouver IXP - VanTX - BCNet
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Bill Woodcock)
Wed Aug 21 10:33:09 2013
From: Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net>
In-Reply-To: <m2txij2lmw.wl%randy@psg.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 07:32:41 -0700
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
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On Aug 21, 2013, at 6:56 AM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
>> Correct. The ones in black are exchanges, the ones in gray are =
things
>> that someone asserted to have been exchanges, or asserted will be
>> exchanges.
>=20
> glad it's all so black and white, well grey. :)
When different people are asserting different things (i.e. that =
something is, and is not, an IXP) the situation is, by definition, =
contentious. We move things into the "definitely an exchange" and show =
it in black text when we're able to observe a number of things:
- Three or more participants
- Shared layer-2 switch fabric across which participants peer with each =
other, exchanging customer routes
- New participation is not too rigorously constrained (at least a =
domestic ISP new market entrant should be able to participate)
- Participants do not receive a metered-rate bill based on utilization
In addition, we look for a number of signs of openness and transparency =
that would indicate that it's intended to be a good-faith effort to =
provide a point of interconnection between interested parties, rather =
than a regulatory compliance function, a set of private crossconnects =
that don't facilitation connection of new participants, a transit =
buyers' club, or a commercial layer-1/2 WAN carrier trying to re-brand =
their services. Which are, I would say, the four most common things =
that attempt to brand themselves as IXPs in disagreement with the =
general consensus that we observe.
New IXP founders typically contact our staff early in the formation =
process, and we collect the information above through conversations with =
participants, direct participation in the exchange, and on-site visits. =
The weak point in this process is that when IXPs go defunct, we're often =
lacking a clear date of dissolution in our records, because they tend to =
fade away gradually, with very little public notice.
Whenever anyone notices such a discrepancy, we very much appreciate =
their bringing it to our attention, so we can make the directory more =
accurate.
> but how do you represent seattle colonolizing bc?
If, by that, you mean Canadian ISPs peering in Seattle, you'd see that =
in the participant list...
=
https://prefix.pch.net/applications/ixpdir/detail.php?exchange_point_id=3D=
345
https://www.seattleix.net/participants.htm
=85and in theory the map here...
=
https://prefix.pch.net/images/applications/ixpdir/origin_country_worldmap/=
345.png
=85should be showing the Canadian participation visually, but the fact =
that it's not, at the moment, is indicating a data coding error on our =
ARIN whois import, which I'll have our guys take a look at.
-Bill
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