[164978] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: How big is the Internet?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ian Smith)
Wed Aug 14 19:05:27 2013
From: Ian Smith <I.Smith@F5.com>
To: Larry Sheldon <LarrySheldon@cox.net>, "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 23:05:15 +0000
In-Reply-To: <520C09C6.2080309@cox.net>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
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Smartphones have one or more IPs, which may or may not be IPv4/IPv6 & publi=
c or rfc1918 address space. There is some tunnelling between the radio and=
the packet core, but they typically are first class Internet nodes. You c=
ould look at them as analogous to cable modems or wifi clients.=0A=
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Feature phones (eg. Motorola Razr) might be using a proxy gateway to to int=
ernetish stuff and that gateway actually owns the IP address they use simil=
ar to a campus network with a web proxy gateway. =0A=
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Older crackberries tunnel all their traffic inside udp-like encrypted datag=
rams back to the RIM data centers where they emerge onto the Internet like =
AOL dial-up subscribers of yesteryear.=0A=
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LTE is IP end-to-end; 3G is IP to a radio-wire interface.=0A=
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From: Larry Sheldon [LarrySheldon@cox.net]=0A=
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:50 PM=0A=
To: nanog@nanog.org=0A=
Subject: Re: How big is the Internet?=0A=
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On 8/14/2013 10:31 AM, Anthony Williams wrote:=0A=
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> One segment is the number of people on the planet with a mobile device=
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> that can connect to the Internet? Throw in laptops, workstations,=0A=
> servers, routers, toasters, etc and the number starts to get pretty big.=
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> The NSA will need some more hard drives. lol=0A=
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> ** Of the 6 billion cell phones in use, only around 1.1 billion of them=
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> are mobile-broadband devices. **=0A=
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> http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/mobile-phone-world-population-2014=0A=
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Do "we" (meaning y'all) even know the edges look like?=0A=
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My elderly crackberry does internetish stuff like email and browsing and=0A=
file transfers when there is no wiffy in sight.=0A=
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So it either speaks TCP/IP with the towers (it might, I have no clue),=0A=
or there is non-TCP/IP fabric in the skirts.=0A=
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