[164693] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Office 365..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Matthew Petach)
Sat Jul 27 22:10:50 2013
In-Reply-To: <51E30DE6.5010402@wholesaleinternet.net>
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 19:10:14 -0700
From: Matthew Petach <mpetach@netflight.com>
To: Aaron Wendel <aaron@wholesaleinternet.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Aaron Wendel
<aaron@wholesaleinternet.net>wrote:
> On 7/14/2013 3:37 PM, Richard Golodner wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 2013-07-14 at 09:36 -1000, Randy Bush wrote:
>>
>>> in
>>> fact, they were all likely in the same rotten boat.
>>>
>>
>> Why I love open source. Look at my mail, track my web site
>> visits. None
>> of this should come as any surprise, especially to the members of this
>> list. Now for the guy down the street that is working on his 69 Camaro
>> at two in the morning it may have come as a shock.
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
> We (ISPs) are all compelled to provide information from time to time under
> a court order. The PRISM program is voluntary. These companies gave the
> NSA access to their systems voluntarily. To me there is a big difference.
> I would be interested to know what they got out of it.
>
>
It was far from voluntary, and it apparently didn't happen
without a lot of resistance. At least some details of the
long, hard fight that started five years ago are finally being
allowed to be declassified now:
http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/16/technology/security/yahoo-fisa-court/index.html
http://mashable.com/2013/07/16/yahoo-fisa-court-2008-prism/
It will be interesting to see how much of the court
documents will be visible and unredacted when
they are released on Monday.
Matt
