[164646] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ARIN WHOIS for leads
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Patrick W. Gilmore)
Fri Jul 26 10:58:50 2013
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net>
In-Reply-To: <51F27A89.4080704@nac.net>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:58:23 -0400
To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Jul 26, 2013, at 09:32 , Ryan Pavely <paradox@nac.net> wrote:
> What about the 2am phone calls from the guy, who did a nslookup on a =
website, and then whois on the ip, who is calling to say his porn site =
is partially not working and he's pissed.
>=20
> imho. The days of having public records like whois/rwhois available =
has passed. The data use to be protected with a simple clue test. Only =
the clue minded folks knew about the data, and were pretty responsible =
with it. Now anyone can look it up. We use to use that data to be able =
to directly communicate with another provider for a serious problem. It =
was great knowing exactly how to get a hold of someone, and not have to =
forage your way through tech support... noc.. etc..
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> Even the anti-spam army out there seem to ignore 'This is the abuse =
contact', and end up spamming all whois org contacts. What's the point =
in that?
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> Why can't we implement a method where you have to be a registered, and =
paying, user/member with an AS number to be able to get IP whois =
'contact' info? Sure list my name and company. But keep my email and =
phone number private. In fact show me a web log of all registered users =
that looked me up.
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> I doubt that will ever happen. So it's time for me to update my arin =
contact as this past weekend I got exactly that 2am porn call and it was =
quite disturbing which website was being referenced. In all my years I =
knew there was some crazy stuff out there, but this took the cake.
You can change anything you want. ARIN & ICANN are both member =
organizations. Propose a change, get the votes, and POOF!, things are =
changed.
Even better, only the "clued" (and paid) get to vote. So it is exactly =
what you wanted.
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TTFN,
patrick
> On 7/25/2013 7:02 PM, Justin Vocke wrote:
>> Sent this little e-mail to ARIN:
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>> I'm not sure that you guys can do anything about this, but it's worth
>> looking into. I registered AS626XX a week ago, and since it's =
registration,
>> I've been getting calls from "wholesale" carriers trying to get me to
>> purchase IP transit from them. Someone is obviously using your =
database of
>> contact information to generate sales leads.
>>=20
>> 512-377-6827 was one of the numbers trying to get more information =
about my
>> network and how they could "help" me.
>>=20
>> My guess is someone is using your mass whois database, looking at the =
most
>> recently issued/created AS numbers, and cold calling.
>>=20
>> Just thought I'd pass this along.
>> ---------
>>=20
>> Due to the amount of calls I've received, I'm guessing its probably a =
good
>> idea to remove my contact info from the registration and setup role's
>> instead.
>>=20
>> Does this sorta thing happen frequently with new registrations or did =
I
>> just draw the short straw?
>>=20
>> Best,
>> Justin
>=20
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