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RE: NANOG Digest, Vol 66, Issue 60
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Cliff Bowles)
Wed Jul 24 12:11:27 2013
From: Cliff Bowles <cliff.bowles@apollogrp.edu>
To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:11:12 -0700
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+1 on the Cyclades (Avocent). We have about 8 of them spread across 3 data =
centers. We've used them for roughly 4-5 years. Won't say they are intuitiv=
e to set up, but once they are, they work well. Don't think I've seen one g=
o down, but then again, they aren't subject to much change. Cost was pretty=
reasonable, but that's relative to your business/budget.
-CWB
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Today's Topics:
1. 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (Jeremy Bresley)
2. Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (William Herrin)
3. RE: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (Warren Bailey)
4. Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (Michael Brown)
5. Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (Joe Hamelin)
6. Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (Warren Bailey)
7. Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (Ian Goodall)
8. Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (david peahi)
9. Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (Tim Jackson)
10. Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations (Jay Ashworth)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:59:41 -0500
From: Jeremy Bresley <brez@brezworks.com>
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
Message-ID: <51EFEBDD.4010704@brezworks.com>
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Looking for recommendations on a good terminal server to put into a telco c=
olocate facility.
Requirements:
8-16 ports for Cisco console access (RJ-45s preferred, DB9s if we have to) =
-48V DC power USB/internal modem for OOB access NEBS Level 1 (or better) co=
mpliance.
So far I've found Perle has several models that meet 3 out of 4, but none t=
hat meet all the requirements. The only OpenGear boxes we're seeing with D=
C power is a little 4 port unit and they don't mention NEBS compliance. La=
ntronix mentions DC power for their SLC line, but doesn't mention anything =
about NEBS compliance either.
Anybody have any recommendations for one they've used that meets all 4 of t=
hose requirements?
Thanks!
Jeremy "TheBrez" Bresley
brez@brezworks.com
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:08:46 -0400
From: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us>
To: Jeremy Bresley <brez@brezworks.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
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On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Jeremy Bresley <brez@brezworks.com> wrote=
:
> Looking for recommendations on a good terminal server to put into a
> telco colocate facility.
>
> Requirements:
> 8-16 ports for Cisco console access (RJ-45s preferred, DB9s if we have
> to) -48V DC power USB/internal modem for OOB access NEBS Level 1 (or
> better) compliance.
Hi Jeremy,
Have you considered the obvious: a Cisco 2610/2811 or equivalent with a 16 =
port async NM card, an analog modem WIC card and a DC power supply? I didn'=
t see it on the list of things you'd considered.
Regards,
Bill Herrin
--
William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us
3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls C=
hurch, VA 22042-3004
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:14:53 +0000
From: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
To: Jeremy Bresley <brez@brezworks.com>, "nanog@nanog.org"
<nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: RE: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
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Uplogix.
Sent from my Mobile Device.
-------- Original message --------
From: Jeremy Bresley <brez@brezworks.com>
Date: 07/24/2013 8:02 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
Looking for recommendations on a good terminal server to put into a
telco colocate facility.
Requirements:
8-16 ports for Cisco console access (RJ-45s preferred, DB9s if we have to)
-48V DC power
USB/internal modem for OOB access
NEBS Level 1 (or better) compliance.
So far I've found Perle has several models that meet 3 out of 4, but
none that meet all the requirements. The only OpenGear boxes we're
seeing with DC power is a little 4 port unit and they don't mention NEBS
compliance. Lantronix mentions DC power for their SLC line, but doesn't
mention anything about NEBS compliance either.
Anybody have any recommendations for one they've used that meets all 4
of those requirements?
Thanks!
Jeremy "TheBrez" Bresley
brez@brezworks.com
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:14:58 -0400
From: Michael Brown <michael@supermathie.net>
To: Jeremy Bresley <brez@brezworks.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
Message-ID: <51EFEF72.3010008@supermathie.net>
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On 13-07-24 10:59 AM, Jeremy Bresley wrote:
> Looking for recommendations on a good terminal server to put into a
> telco colocate facility.
>
> Requirements:
> 8-16 ports for Cisco console access (RJ-45s preferred, DB9s if we have
> to)
> -48V DC power
> USB/internal modem for OOB access
> NEBS Level 1 (or better) compliance.
>
Avocent's (formerly Cyclades) ACS devices meet all of your constraints:
http://www.emersonnetworkpower.com/documents/en-us/brands/avocent/documents=
/datasheets/01/acs6000-ds-en.pdf
M.
--
Michael Brown | The true sysadmin does not adjust his behaviour
Systems Administrator | to fit the machine. He adjusts the machine
michael@supermathie.net | until it behaves properly. With a hammer,
| if necessary. - Brian
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 08:18:08 -0700
From: Joe Hamelin <joe@nethead.com>
To: Jeremy Bresley <brez@brezworks.com>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
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I guess Cyclades is now Avocent, used these at Clearwire. Can come with
dual 48VDC supplies. Think of a 48 serial port Linux box. Has PCM/CIA
slot for modem. Multiple users can be logged in at the same time.
http://www.emersonnetworkpower.com/en-US/Products/InfrastructureManagement/=
SerialConsoles/Pages/AvocentACS6000AdvancedConsoleServer.aspx
--
Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, 360-474-7474
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Jeremy Bresley <brez@brezworks.com> wrote:=
> Looking for recommendations on a good terminal server to put into a telco=
> colocate facility.
>
> Requirements:
> 8-16 ports for Cisco console access (RJ-45s preferred, DB9s if we have to=
)
> -48V DC power
> USB/internal modem for OOB access
> NEBS Level 1 (or better) compliance.
>
> So far I've found Perle has several models that meet 3 out of 4, but none=
> that meet all the requirements. The only OpenGear boxes we're seeing wit=
h
> DC power is a little 4 port unit and they don't mention NEBS compliance.
> Lantronix mentions DC power for their SLC line, but doesn't mention
> anything about NEBS compliance either.
>
> Anybody have any recommendations for one they've used that meets all 4 of=
> those requirements?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeremy "TheBrez" Bresley
> brez@brezworks.com
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:31:55 +0000
From: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
To: Joe Hamelin <joe@nethead.com>, Jeremy Bresley <brez@brezworks.com>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
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We used these quite a bit. Uplogix has some interesting automation, and the=
phone line/OOB is pretty slick. One cool thing about uplogix is it has a s=
urgical rollback feature. You can set many different conditions and rules, =
and the router will dutifully execute a fall back procedure automatically. =
We had a switch plugged in, and I did a port range and added "shut" to all =
of the ports. Once they all went down, uplogix noticed and after a pre defi=
ned time it went back in and restored to the last known good configuration.=
If these bells and whistles don't blow your skirt up, check out the websit=
e.
Sent from my Mobile Device.
-------- Original message --------
From: Joe Hamelin <joe@nethead.com>
Date: 07/24/2013 8:23 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Jeremy Bresley <brez@brezworks.com>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
I guess Cyclades is now Avocent, used these at Clearwire. Can come with
dual 48VDC supplies. Think of a 48 serial port Linux box. Has PCM/CIA
slot for modem. Multiple users can be logged in at the same time.
http://www.emersonnetworkpower.com/en-US/Products/InfrastructureManagement/=
SerialConsoles/Pages/AvocentACS6000AdvancedConsoleServer.aspx
--
Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, 360-474-7474
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Jeremy Bresley <brez@brezworks.com> wrote:=
> Looking for recommendations on a good terminal server to put into a telco=
> colocate facility.
>
> Requirements:
> 8-16 ports for Cisco console access (RJ-45s preferred, DB9s if we have to=
)
> -48V DC power
> USB/internal modem for OOB access
> NEBS Level 1 (or better) compliance.
>
> So far I've found Perle has several models that meet 3 out of 4, but none=
> that meet all the requirements. The only OpenGear boxes we're seeing wit=
h
> DC power is a little 4 port unit and they don't mention NEBS compliance.
> Lantronix mentions DC power for their SLC line, but doesn't mention
> anything about NEBS compliance either.
>
> Anybody have any recommendations for one they've used that meets all 4 of=
> those requirements?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeremy "TheBrez" Bresley
> brez@brezworks.com
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 16:34:55 +0100
From: Ian Goodall <nanog@ijg.me.uk>
To: Jeremy Bresley <brez@brezworks.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
Message-ID: <29BEACC0-02EB-43BF-BF32-6935A1C5B847@ijg.me.uk>
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On 24 Jul 2013, at 15:59, Jeremy Bresley <brez@brezworks.com> wrote:
> The only OpenGear boxes we're seeing with DC power is a little 4 port uni=
t and they don't mention NEBS compliance. Lantronix mentions DC power for =
their SLC line, but doesn't mention anything about NEBS compliance either.
Not sure about NEBS but we use the Opengear IM4200 range which meet your ot=
her requirements:
http://opengear.com/product-im4200.html
-48v and Cisco pinout available.
I guess the small 4 port units you found were the ACM5000s. These come with=
an external transformer which is a pain to rack mount unlike the larger IM=
4200.
Avocent were good when I used them a few years ago but very expensive.
Ian
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 08:49:25 -0700
From: david peahi <davidpeahi@gmail.com>
To: Jeremy Bresley <brez@brezworks.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
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>
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We have used the Avocent console/power terminal servers for several years.
Although the browser interface is cluttered, and the use of Java sometimes
poses connectivity challengesm Avocent is a useful console server for all
types of devices, and has the ability to remotely power-cycle AC and DC
devices.
Avocent devices meet your specs (-48V PS, NEBS compliance).
Regards,
David
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Jeremy Bresley <brez@brezworks.com> wrote:=
> Looking for recommendations on a good terminal server to put into a telco=
> colocate facility.
>
> Requirements:
> 8-16 ports for Cisco console access (RJ-45s preferred, DB9s if we have to=
)
> -48V DC power
> USB/internal modem for OOB access
> NEBS Level 1 (or better) compliance.
>
> So far I've found Perle has several models that meet 3 out of 4, but none=
> that meet all the requirements. The only OpenGear boxes we're seeing wit=
h
> DC power is a little 4 port unit and they don't mention NEBS compliance.
> Lantronix mentions DC power for their SLC line, but doesn't mention
> anything about NEBS compliance either.
>
> Anybody have any recommendations for one they've used that meets all 4 of=
> those requirements?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeremy "TheBrez" Bresley
> brez@brezworks.com
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 08:52:35 -0700
From: Tim Jackson <jackson.tim@gmail.com>
To: Jeremy Bresley <brez@brezworks.com>
Cc: nanog list <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
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>
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Digi TS-16 Works well, but doesn't have USB/modem..
MRV's LX line meets all of that, but I've had mixed issues with
reliability with them..
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Jeremy Bresley <brez@brezworks.com> wrote:=
> Looking for recommendations on a good terminal server to put into a telco=
> colocate facility.
>
> Requirements:
> 8-16 ports for Cisco console access (RJ-45s preferred, DB9s if we have to=
)
> -48V DC power
> USB/internal modem for OOB access
> NEBS Level 1 (or better) compliance.
>
> So far I've found Perle has several models that meet 3 out of 4, but none=
> that meet all the requirements. The only OpenGear boxes we're seeing wit=
h
> DC power is a little 4 port unit and they don't mention NEBS compliance.
> Lantronix mentions DC power for their SLC line, but doesn't mention anyth=
ing
> about NEBS compliance either.
>
> Anybody have any recommendations for one they've used that meets all 4 of=
> those requirements?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeremy "TheBrez" Bresley
> brez@brezworks.com
>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:57:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jay Ashworth <jra@baylink.com>
To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: 48V DC Terminal server recommendations
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeremy Bresley" <brez@brezworks.com>
> NEBS Level 1 (or better) compliance.
Do you require NEBS "compliance" or the much more expensive still "NEBS
certification"?
Cheers,
-- jra
--
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