[163471] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jason L. Sparks)
Sun Jun 9 06:24:50 2013
In-Reply-To: <CAAtfGYixCtHK=nTvsd_Z2kOYAMbHFbya31AMwY4w1_mvDS=Eag@mail.gmail.com>
From: "Jason L. Sparks" <jlsparks@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 06:24:20 -0400
To: ku po <cciehelps@gmail.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
To be fair, the reporting (initially) claimed the providers were granting th=
e USG "access directly to their servers." It's understandable and appropria=
te that the providers pushed back against that apparently erroneous reportin=
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Jason
On Jun 8, 2013, at 22:44, ku po <cciehelps@gmail.com> wrote:
> What is the point to argue whether they have the capacity to process all
> the data?
> They DON'T need to build expensive systems.
> They just need to make sure when they ask your company for information,
> these information are available for them and fast enough.
> So the statement that saying "we don't give them direct access" means
> nothing!!!
> The right question is IS THERE A DIRECT CHANNEL for them to ask you for
> information without providing all the evidence( how could they show you al=
l
> the evidence when it is security related??), which you can't deny their
> access.
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> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 8:20 AM, James Harrison <james@talkunafraid.co.uk>w=
rote:
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>> On 08/06/2013 16:31, William Herrin wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:25 AM, jamie rishaw <j@arpa.com> wrote:
>>>> Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting
>>>> vampired.
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>>> Why wait?
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>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/20/politics/20submarine.html?_r=3D0
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>>> -Bill
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>> In a similar vein, a new PRISM slide was released by the Guardian this
>> morning:
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>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-prism-server-collection-f=
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>> Doesn't specifically say private fiber - just "fiber cables and
>> infrastructure". May just refer to fiber to/from/within complying
>> company infrastructure, ofc, not necessarily anything else.
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>> They also apparently have a web 2.0 compliant dashboard with a catchy
>> name and pop-ups with big numbers in: Boundless Informant.
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>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-boundless-informant-globa=
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>> Speaking from the other side of the pond it's interesting to see where
>> this is going. GCHQ (the UK NSA equivalent) are being asked stern
>> questions by the government about their involvement and if they've
>> been asking the NSA for UK citizens' data (since they're not allowed
>> to collect it themselves).
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>> Cheers,
>> James Harrison
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