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Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mark Seiden)
Fri Jun 7 19:05:19 2013
From: Mark Seiden <mis@seiden.com>
In-Reply-To: <d038qbhefg4bc0nrdfhx4wy8.1370640058470@email.android.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 16:04:45 -0700
To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
the palantir financial product named prism is useless for intelligence =
analysis. it's for
timeseries financial data. my understanding is it's a completely =
different product, code base and market
from the connect-the-dots product they sell as a competitor to i2's =
Analyst's Notebook product.
"these are not the droids you're looking for"
On Jun 7, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Warren Bailey =
<wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
> Wink wink
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/06/07/startup-palantir-deni=
es-its-prism-software-is-the-nsas-prism-surveillance-system/
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> Sent from my Mobile Device.
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: "Jason L. Sparks" <jlsparks@gmail.com>
> Date: 06/07/2013 1:31 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
> Cc: Jay Ashworth <jra@baylink.com>,NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
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> I assume the unclassified word "Prism" (which is found everywhere on =
IC resumes and open job descriptions) refers to Palantir's Prism suite. =
Could be wrong, but seems logical.
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> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Warren Bailey =
<wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com<mailto:wbailey@satelliteintelligen=
cegroup.com>> wrote:
> Has anyone found out if this system is actually based on Narus? I =
associated this program as a super version of the AT&T thing, and if I =
recall it was understood that was Narus and Co via NSA/FBI?
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> Sent from my Mobile Device.
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jay Ashworth <jra@baylink.com<mailto:jra@baylink.com>>
> Date: 06/07/2013 12:16 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
> Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
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> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Valdis Kletnieks" =
<Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu<mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>>
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>> On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:57:07 -0700, Mark Seiden said:
>>> and also, only $20m/year? in my experience, the govt cannot do
>>> anything like this addressing even a single provider for that little =
money.
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>> Convince me the *real* number doesn't have another zero.
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>> Remember - the $20M number came from a source that has *very* good
>> reason to lie as much as it can right now about the true extent of =
this.
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> Indeed. Luckily, the press is all over this like a bad smell.
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> I mentioned The Story in a new posting just now; they have, =
surprisingly,
> already managed to dig at this spot, a pretty quick response for them:
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> http://www.thestory.org/stories/2013-06/americans-spying-americans
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> Cheers,
> -- jra
> --
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