[163126] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: What hath god wrought?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jason L. Sparks)
Mon May 20 17:59:51 2013
In-Reply-To: <CAN3um4xtH3cra0FQKug7g=hJRSBzn=AE4741xL5SP2mVSnyKXg@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 17:59:40 -0400
From: "Jason L. Sparks" <jlsparks@gmail.com>
To: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com>
Cc: NANOG Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
"No attempt to hide the source IP"
"I mean, they were using a shared hosting plan"
What makes you certain it was DHS?
Genuinely curious, because this is a hell of a claim.
--
Jason
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com>wrote=
:
> Would it be futile though? I mean...DHS running a DOS against an
> American organization is the kind of stuff that makes Constitutional
> lawyers salivate.
>
> I'm not trying to call you out, btw. I'm genuinely curious why the
> hosting company itself didn't file suit. You've got a US Government
> agency abusing your resources and acting in a blatantly illegal
> manner. That's the kind of stuff that results in letters of
> resignation when publicized.
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Charles Wyble
> <charles-lists@knownelement.com> wrote:
> > Yes. I'm aware of that. It would be futile in most cases, which is a
> huge problem in and of itself, as that's really the only recourse.
> >
> > I mean they were using a shared hosting plan. Not exactly deep pocketed=
.
> >
> > My point is that the abuse of power is blatant and they are unafraid of
> any kind of retaliation. They don't need to hide.
> >
> > Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>"Sue them?"
> >>Uhm...yes? That's why we have courts that we can sue federal agencies
> >>in.
> >>
> >>On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Charles Wyble
> >><charles-lists@knownelement.com> wrote:
> >>> No proxy needed. No need to hide.
> >>>
> >>> While working for a very large hosting company, I once observed DHS
> >>hammering an occupy related website. No attempt to hide the source ip
> >>or anything.
> >>>
> >>> What are you going to do? Sue them? If they wish to take a site
> >>offline, they will ddos it or simply seize the domain under the
> >>national security banner.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "<<"tei''>>>" <oscar.vives@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On 20 May 2013 01:58, Michael Painter <tvhawaii@shaka.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/05/ddos-for-hire-service-works-with-=
blessing-of-fbi-operator-says/
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>More on the same topic.
> >>>>
> http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/05/ragebooter-legit-ddos-service-or-fed-b=
ackdoor/#more-19475
> >>>>
> >>>>Maybe the FBI use this to commit crimes in USA using a foreign
> >>company
> >>>>as proxy so nothing dirty show on the books. That way the FBI can
> >>>>avoid respecting USA laws.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>--
> >>>>=E2=84=B1in del =E2=84=B3ensaje.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Charles Wyble
> >>> charles@knownelement.com / 818 280 7059
> >>> CTO Free Network Foundation (www.thefnf.org)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
> >
> > --
> > Charles Wyble
> > charles@knownelement.com / 818 280 7059
> > CTO Free Network Foundation (www.thefnf.org)
>
>
>
> --
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