[163124] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: What hath god wrought?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Charles Wyble)
Mon May 20 15:14:34 2013
In-Reply-To: <CAN3um4zih+_=3UwZ+8sduJvHoq7gVob1mqk+V3BG2+wtU_oS+w@mail.gmail.com>
From: Charles Wyble <charles-lists@knownelement.com>
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 14:13:59 -0500
CC: NANOG Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Yes. I'm aware of that. It would be futile in most cases, which is a huge problem in and of itself, as that's really the only recourse.
I mean they were using a shared hosting plan. Not exactly deep pocketed.
My point is that the abuse of power is blatant and they are unafraid of any kind of retaliation. They don't need to hide.
Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> wrote:
>"Sue them?"
>Uhm...yes? That's why we have courts that we can sue federal agencies
>in.
>
>On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Charles Wyble
><charles-lists@knownelement.com> wrote:
>> No proxy needed. No need to hide.
>>
>> While working for a very large hosting company, I once observed DHS
>hammering an occupy related website. No attempt to hide the source ip
>or anything.
>>
>> What are you going to do? Sue them? If they wish to take a site
>offline, they will ddos it or simply seize the domain under the
>national security banner.
>>
>>
>>
>> "<<"tei''>>>" <oscar.vives@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 20 May 2013 01:58, Michael Painter <tvhawaii@shaka.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/05/ddos-for-hire-service-works-with-blessing-of-fbi-operator-says/
>>>>
>>>
>>>More on the same topic.
>>>http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/05/ragebooter-legit-ddos-service-or-fed-backdoor/#more-19475
>>>
>>>Maybe the FBI use this to commit crimes in USA using a foreign
>company
>>>as proxy so nothing dirty show on the books. That way the FBI can
>>>avoid respecting USA laws.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
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>>>ℱin del ℳensaje.
>>
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>> Charles Wyble
>> charles@knownelement.com / 818 280 7059
>> CTO Free Network Foundation (www.thefnf.org)
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