[163053] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: 40 GBit @ 240 GHz across 1 km LoS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Phil Fagan)
Fri May 17 13:37:38 2013
In-Reply-To: <vvt9mg76twcgft62fqcwe8ug.1368811987261@email.android.com>
From: Phil Fagan <philfagan@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 11:37:07 -0600
To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Nice...8x300Gbit optical beams; that's awesome.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Warren Bailey <
wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
> Super high frequency stuff is already in space. Iridium uses ka for
> their space craft to space craft routing network. Not much attenuation in=
a
> vacuum.. ;)
>
> Look up vortex beams. These guys should hook up with the vortex guys.
> They were getting like 40bits to hertz using oam.
>
>
> Sent from my Mobile Device.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Phil Fagan <philfagan@gmail.com>
> Date: 05/17/2013 10:29 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
> Cc: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>,NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: 40 GBit @ 240 GHz across 1 km LoS
>
>
> Well put; 1kM is a giant leap from .1Km, but its a far cry from rural
> transport.
>
> I wonder what the fixed mobile/metro use cases might look like;
> Alternate path, aggregate short distance media backhaul...
>
> I think I like the idea most for non-earth atmosphere use cases, space
> vehicle or exploration vehicle use.
>
> Can you blast your way through rain, snow, or hell...a sandstorm by
> increasing your power?
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Warren Bailey <
> wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
>
>> I disagree.
>>
>> It's not the near field stuff that is an issue.. It's the far field stuf=
f
>> further down the road that is going to murder the link.. Look at his Fig=
1
>> and Fig 2.
>>
>> Fig 1 is saying that he is getting killed at 50mm/h of rain at 60 gig an=
d
>> at 175 gig. Fig 2 is saying that everything works well until you exceed
>> .1km - where real life kicks back in. His clear sky is normal for anythi=
ng
>> wireless, but look at what happens at distances exceeding his comfort
>> zone. From .1km to 1km he's taking 30-50dB of loss on his link. I don't
>> know what kind of transmitter he has, but *IF* he were to encounter rain=
I
>> sure as hell hope he has a form of transmit power control. I also notice=
d
>> that they're using OOK, which is much better than FSK but runs the risk =
of
>> being clobbered by a relatively small amount of noise.
>>
>> So yes, this is awesome for running huge data rates across the street.
>> Down the road, you may have a few bad days.
>>
>> On 5/17/13 8:22 AM, "Carsten Bormann" <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>>
>> >On May 17, 2013, at 16:30, Warren Bailey
>> ><wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> By not working. At those frequencies you're talking a light moisture
>> >>pocket taking the entire link down.
>> >
>> >Not quite as bad:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.uni-stuttgart.de/int/institut/MA_Publikationen/reichart/COMCA=
S_
>> >25G_link.pdf
>> >
>> >The ~ 50 mm/h rain they seem to budget for is not yet quite an "end of
>> >the world" torrent, but it's not like you sneeze and the link goes down=
.
>> >(And if you have more than 50 mm/h sustained, you've got a much, much
>> >bigger problem :-)
>> >
>> >Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Phil Fagan
> Denver, CO
> 970-480-7618
>
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