[162707] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Tier1 blackholing policy?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Thomas Schmid)
Tue Apr 30 13:23:14 2013
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:22:53 +0200
From: Thomas Schmid <schmid@dfn.de>
To: nanog@nanog.org
In-Reply-To: <90B6B348-5340-46D3-8D0D-2D0C3275DE85@ianai.net>
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Am 30.04.2013 18:41, schrieb Patrick W. Gilmore:
>
> Composed on a virtual keyboard, please forgive typos.
>
> On Apr 30, 2013, at 12:32, Thomas Schmid <schmid@dfn.de> wrote:
>> Am 30.04.2013 17:53, schrieb Patrick W. Gilmore:
>>> "Core"? Seriously? Which of these statements are true: A) Is it impos=
sible for an end user or business (i.e. non-ISP) to get a direct connecti=
on to a "Tier 1" (whatever the hell that means) provider. B) Most traffic=
on the Internet traverses Tier 1s today. C) A Tier 1 has a different pro=
fit motive than a Tier 2 (whatever the hell that means) providers. D) All=
Tier 1 providers are larger than all Tier 2 providers. We'll just skip o=
ver the E) all of the above.
>> agree - I oversimplified, but I think you got the idea ...
> No, I did not get the point.
>
> I am not trolling. I just do not understand what you meant. Probably be=
cause there is no "core", so your statement did not make sense.
>
Patrick, what I mean is that someone that I pay money for providing me=20
access to
the guys I don't peer with, decides for me what's good (according to=20
his criteria) for
me and my customers or even my customer's customers etc. If one of my pee=
rs
blackholes his customers, it's his business and not mine and I don't care=
=2E
While I eventually could vote with my wallet if I don't like that=20
policy, my question was more,
if that behavior is already that common at 'Tier1s' (definition omitted) =
that it would not make
a difference anyway.
Thomas
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