[162553] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: "It's the end of the world as we know it" -- REM
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Fred Baker (fred))
Wed Apr 24 20:34:53 2013
From: "Fred Baker (fred)" <fred@cisco.com>
To: Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 00:34:36 +0000
In-Reply-To: <51786FB2.3090505@mtcc.com>
Cc: "<nanog@nanog.org>" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Apr 24, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com>
wrote:
> On 04/24/2013 03:26 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote:
>>=20
>> Frankly, the ISPs likely to be tracking this list aren't the people hold=
ing back there. To pick on one that is fairly public, Verizon Wireline is r=
unning dual stack for at least its FIOS customers, and also deploying CGN, =
and being pretty up front about the impacts of CGN. Verizon Wireless, if I =
understand the statistics available, is estimated to have about 1/4 of its =
client handsets accessing Google/Yahoo/Facebook using IPv6.
>=20
> Fred, isn't the larger problem those enterprise's outward facing web pres=
ence,
> etc? As great as it is that vzw is deploying on handsets, don't they also=
need
> to dual-stack and by inference cgn (eventually) so that their customers c=
an get
> at the long tail of non-v6 sites?
Kind of my point. I hear a lot of complaining of the form "I don't need to =
deploy IPv6 because there is relatively little traffic out there." Well, su=
rprise surprise. That's a little like me saying that I don't need to learn =
Chinese because nobody speaks to me in Chinese. There are a lot of Chinese =
speakers; they don't speak to me in Chinese, which they often prefer to spe=
ak among themselves, because I wouldn't have a clue what they were saying.
The Verizon Wireless numbers, and a list of others on the same page, tell m=
e that if offered a AAAA record, networks and the equipment that use them w=
ill in fact use IPv6. What is in the way is the residential gateway, which =
is often IPv4-only, and the enterprise web and email service, which is ofte=
n IPv4 only. You want to fix that, fix the residential gateway, the enterpr=
ise load balancer, and the connectivity between them and their respective u=
pstreams.=
