[161603] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification]
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Patrick W. Gilmore)
Wed Mar 20 18:28:07 2013
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net>
In-Reply-To: <BB9BDD4B-BAC0-4BA5-8E22-2292A3C69A56@delong.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:27:48 -0400
To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
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On Mar 20, 2013, at 16:20 , Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
> On Mar 20, 2013, at 10:18 AM, "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net> =
wrote:
>> On Mar 20, 2013, at 09:25 , Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
>>> Not one of them will run BGP with a residential subscriber.
>>=20
>> Who cares? [See below.]
>>=20
> Not one of them will run BGP with a commercial subscriber using a =
cost-effective edge technology.
[snip]
I'm literally at a loss how to respond.
This whole post is either a contradiction ("ISPs do free BGP", "the =
barrier to entry for BGP is higher than it should be"), or non-sequitors =
("Comcast charges me $99 and doesn't give me a static IP address", uh... =
so?), or simply wrong statements ("BGP doesn't scale so we limit =
growth", "no we don't", "not in so many words, but yes we do").
What exactly are you trying to say? Because I apparently am too stupid =
to understand.
>> You are a pretty smart guy, so I'm going to give you the benefit of =
the doubt and assume you just kinda-sortta forgot or did not consider =
the whole "money" thing, despite the fact the only reason nearly every =
Internet entity exists. (Now I wonder how many people are going to tell =
me about the N% which are non-profits, despite the fact I said =
"nearly"?)
>=20
> I'm paying way more per month to the providers that refuse to do BGP =
with/for me than I am paying to the providers that ARE doing BGP =
with/for me. Clearly money is not the issue.
You are confused. Money is (to a first approximation) ALWAYS the =
problem. Just because two companies sell things at different prices does =
not mean money is not at the heart of each company's pricing strategy. =
OF COURSE it is. They.... Oh, never mind.
I'm going to take away the benefit of the doubt I gave you.
And I think I'm going to stop feeding the ridiculously obvious troll.
--=20
TTFN,
patrick
