[161588] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: routing table go boom
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jared Mauch)
Wed Mar 20 13:46:05 2013
From: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
In-Reply-To: <5149F23C.20804@tiedyenetworks.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:44:25 -0400
To: Mike <mike-nanog@tiedyenetworks.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Mar 20, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Mike <mike-nanog@tiedyenetworks.com> wrote:
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> I appreciate everyones comments on this issue but I think you
> nay-sayers are going to lose. I think the future of the internet is
> distributed routing where the end points ultimately decide how their
> packets flow. I think joe 6-pack should in fact be able to be =
connected
> to as many providers as he wants, should be able to specify any =
mixture
> of connections from consumer dsl to carrier ethernet or beyond, and =
have
> the same level of service as multi-homed bgp speaking networks do =
today
> in terms of route diversity, fail-over and 'portability' (in terms of
> bringing your netblocks to another provider). Not a troll, just =
looking
> at the future here.
I certainly think there's a lot that can be done at middle-layers, eg: =
tunnels
to a few different providers. I can be on a Comcast CM and ATT DSL link =
and
establish a link to a tunnel destination in Chicago that is low-latency =
for me
and the bits will all flow that way. =20
The last mile loop problem though?
As of today, neither of those two providers reaches my home with their =
service.
I doubt I'm going to see a lot of choice unless the market changes =
considerably.
The last-mile costs are all in the contractors, permits and engineering =
studies
for weight on the poles. (Or directional boring/conduit costs =
underground).
Locally the permit is $200/road crossed, either above or under, this =
starts
to contribute to the build cost in unexpected ways. If you looked at =
the google
fiber proposal, they wanted space on both poles and otherwise to =
minimize permitting
and other costs.
Last time I talked to someone about outside plant construction the =
answer was
the cost was functionally strand-agnostic. That tells me the cost isn't =
in
the cabling.
- Jared=
