[161538] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: [c-nsp] DNS amplification
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Christopher Morrow)
Tue Mar 19 14:35:37 2013
In-Reply-To: <317CC7DB-D66B-4FE0-A22C-390041E1B509@virtualized.org>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:27:47 -0400
From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
To: David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org Group" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:12 PM, David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> On Mar 19, 2013, at 10:50 AM, Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com=
> wrote:
>>> With enough thrust, pigs fly quite well. Landing can get messy though.=
..
>> I was being serious...
>
> As was I.
:)
>> put modern hardware to work and it gets simpler.
>
> Yes, applying more thrust makes things simpler: all you need is money, ba=
ndwidth capacity, rackspace, power, cooling, time (to replace old equipment=
), etc. Moore's Law will probably save us. Probably.
>
> But I know you know all of this.
>
tli says moore's law doesn't apply to routing gear (in the
large-hardware world)... he's been wrong once or twice, but his slides
seemed convincing (to me).
I take your point though, there's a cost to getting out of the hole
(if there is a hole,ie: @jabley)
I also think we don't have to do this 'today', but getting the right
plans in place to migrate in the right direction seems like an ok plan
too.
> Where I think things get a bit more interesting is if you assume smaller =
and smaller businesses start seeing "always on" Internet sufficiently impor=
tant as to justify multihoming with PI. In the US alone there are 6M SMEs =
with payrolls (21M without). Perhaps router vendors should adopt Doritos mo=
tto: "crunch all you want, we'll make more"...
>
no doubt, this is marshall's numbers (or a form of them) from ~7+ yrs
ago now? which ted and I used ~6 yrs ago to (un)successfully argue
that we (the intertubes) need something more than multihoming as we
have it today in ipv4/ipv6... sharing that state across the globe is
expensive in today's hardware (or yesteryear's hardware).
I totally think that as the intertubes become more and more 'critical'
to people's business(es) we'll see more and more regulation that, as a
side effect, leads to more reliable connectivity being demanded.
That'll be nice, in a way :)
anyway, we seem to mostly agree, which again makes me realize I'm not
crazy... but I stil have wine and sandwiches, come along with jabley
and I?
-chris
