[160873] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Constantine A. Murenin)
Sat Feb 16 21:12:39 2013
In-Reply-To: <6f7463e86492204c83dc874e049161b9@mail.dessus.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:12:25 -0800
From: "Constantine A. Murenin" <mureninc@gmail.com>
To: Keith Medcalf <kmedcalf@dessus.com>
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On 9 February 2013 22:49, Keith Medcalf <kmedcalf@dessus.com> wrote:
>
> Most of these networks are provided by "Internet Marketing Companies". I=
n exchange for free-reign in data harvesting and data capture/logging/track=
ing and advertisement/javascript insertion in web pages (etc), the hotel ge=
ts to offer "free" internet connections. Often the Hotel Internet is a pro=
fit center for the Hotel, the "Internet Company" paying the Hotel for unres=
tricted diddling rights to the unsuspecting guests traffic.
>
> Same applies to almost every business that offers "free complimentary int=
ernet connections" ...
>
> Occasionally you run into a Hotel that offers a quality and clean interne=
t connection, however, these are few and far between ...
Several 2.5* / 3* hotel managers I spoke with volunteered, implied or
confirmed that they're paying on the order of 2k$/mo for "internet" in
Northern California.
And at least in the US, I'm yet to encounter a complementary WiFi at
any hotel that would be doing JavaScript insertion, so I'm not sure
where you get your information that the free internet always means ads
or a very high level of tampering.
One of my prior residential ISPs, Embarq, arguably did more tampering
and data mining with my connection than any of the hotels I have ever
stayed at. (I'm talking about DNS hijacking.)
Now.
Notice that these hotels are already paying 2k$/mo and getting 10Mbps,
which residentially retails at 40$/mo. How much will 100Mbps cost
them? What, still 2k/mo? What are they waiting for?
Or, pardon my residential bias, but are some of them still using T1's?
Don't those cost a fortune? Wouldn't they actually save their money
by going elsewhere? I hear microwave links are pretty popular these
days, and offer great bandwidth and latency.
C.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Lyon [mailto:mike.lyon@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, 09 February, 2013 23:23
>> To: Constantine A. Murenin
>> Cc: North American Network Operators' Group
>> Subject: Re: 10 Mbit/s problem in your network
>>
>> "why do the sub-contracted internet support companies design and
>> support such broken-by-design setups?"
>>
>> Because they don't know any better and lack the technical clue on how
>> to implement a network that can support a hotel-full (or half-full) of
>> people...
>>
>> But i'm sure they all have their MCSEs and CCNAs so they are qualified :=
)
>>
>> -mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2013, at 19:57, "Constantine A. Murenin" <mureninc@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > why do the sub-contracted internet support
>> > companies design and support such broken-by-design setups?
