[160402] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: How far must muni fiber operators protect ISP competition?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Tony Hain)
Tue Feb 5 11:43:58 2013
From: "Tony Hain" <alh-ietf@tndh.net>
To: "'Jay Ashworth'" <jra@baylink.com>,
"'NANOG'" <nanog@nanog.org>
In-Reply-To: <17782583.4960.1360080536557.JavaMail.root@benjamin.baylink.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 08:43:09 -0800
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IMHO: level of clue is a minor point, as that can be bought. The =
fundamental issues for a project like this are funding, and intent. =
Well-funded organizations that lack intent are just problem children =
that like to tie up the courts to keep others from making progress. The =
target for a project like you describe is the organization with intent, =
but lacks funding. Yes some of those will have an easier time by not =
having to acquire the appropriate level of clue, but they may not last =
long if they don't. Part of your calculation has to be level of churn =
you are willing to impose on the city as the low-price competitors come =
and go.
Tony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Ashworth [mailto:jra@baylink.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 8:09 AM
> To: NANOG
> Subject: How far must muni fiber operators protect ISP competition?
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> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com>
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> > Actually, as I understood what was proposed, you would bring Cable
> > Coop and/or other such vendors into the colo space adjacent to the =
MMR
> > and let them sell directly to the other service providers and/or
> > customers.
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> I am of two minds at this point, on this topic.
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> The goal of this project, lying just atop improving the city's =
position in the
> world, is to do so by making practical competition between service =
providers,
> to keep prices as low as possible.
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> when I delve into the realm of things like this, some people could =
make a
> relatively defensible argument that I am disadvantaging ISPs who are =
smart
> enough to know about this sort of service on their own, by helping out =
those
> who are not.
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> I'm not sure if that argument outweighs the opposing one, which is =
that I
> should be *trying* to advantage those smaller, less savvy operators, =
as
> they're the sort I want as providers.
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> I think this particular point is one of opinion; I solicit such.
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> Cheers,
> -- jra
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