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Re: AS8584 taking over the internet

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jared Mauch)
Wed Apr 8 14:49:53 1998

From: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980408141030.4514D-100000@iago.nac.net> from Al Reuben at "Apr 8, 98 02:10:50 pm"
To: alex@nac.net (Al Reuben)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:33:11 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: bridge@ip-plus.net, nanog@merit.edu

On a dark and stormy night, Al Reuben said:
> That is rediculous. Sounds like better filtering is needed.

	Correct.

	If everyone filtered their connections, this would be a lot
better.  You can't filter your peers (easily in a way that it can scale
well), but if you filter customer connections on a per-prefix basis,
(and/or by as-path), you can reduce this type of nastyness.

	Customers should not be trusted, and peers should be looked upon
with a great deal of concern, because they can send you anything pretty
much.

	route-servers are a bit more scalable, but because most people don't
keep their RR objects in place, it makes it a bit tougher to use those
tools, not counting other things.  Most folks end up creating their own.

	- Jared

> On Wed, 8 Apr 1998, philip bridge wrote:
> 
> > Seems like...
> > 
> > http://www.academ.com/nanog/feb1998/origin.html
> > 
> > ...is long overdue.
> > 
> 
> 
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