[160022] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (joel jaeggli)
Wed Jan 30 12:43:35 2013
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:43:10 -0800
From: joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com>
To: "Dobbins, Roland" <rdobbins@arbor.net>, NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
In-Reply-To: <47486090-B3D3-421A-AD54-49EE16A3C1D1@arbor.net>
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On 11/28/12 4:17 PM, Dobbins, Roland wrote:
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:04 AM, Tony Hain wrote:
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>> Getting the cpe vendors to ship in quantity requires the ISP engineering organizations to say in unison "we are deploying IPv6 and will only recommend products that pass testing".
> Do you see any evidence of that occurring? I don't.
>
> Also, a lot of broadband consumers and enterprise organizations buy and deploy their own CPE. Do you see a lot of IPv6 activity there?
As a product of having a motorola sb6121 and a netgear wndr3700 both of
which I bought at frys I have ipv6 in my house with dhcp pd curtesy of
commcast. If it was any simpler somebody else would have had to install it.
> I don't, excepting an IPv6 RFP checkbox for enterprises, which doesn't have any formal requirements and is essentially meaningless because of that fact.
>> You claim to be looking for the economic incentive, but are looking with such a short time horizon that all you see are the 'waste' products vendors
>> are pushing to make a quick sale, knowing that you will eventually come back for yet-another-hack to delay transition, and prop up your expertise in a
>> legacy technology.
> No.
>
> What I am looking for is an economic incentive which will justify the [IMHO] wildly overoptimisitic claims which some are making in re ubiquitous end-to-end native IPv6 deployment.
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> Otherwise, I believe it will be a much more gradual adoption curve, as you indicate.
>
>> The same thing happened with the SNA faithful 15 years ago, and history shows what happened there.
> You attribute circumstances and motivations to me which do not apply.
>
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> Roland Dobbins <rdobbins@arbor.net> // <http://www.arbornetworks.com>
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> Luck is the residue of opportunity and design.
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> -- John Milton
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