[159985] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Tue Jan 29 22:13:57 2013
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <20130130025140.GA55895@ussenterprise.ufp.org>
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:11:56 -0800
To: Leo Bicknell <bicknell@ufp.org>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
I would put it differently.
I believe that the entity (muni, county, state, special district, or =
whatever) should
be required to make dark fiber patches available.
I believe they should be allowed to optionally provide L2 enabled =
services of various
forms.
I believe that they should be prohibited from engaging in L3+ services.
I believe they should be required to offer more than a MMR type facility =
in order to
enable cost-effective utilization by smaller providers. There are a =
number of ways
this can be accomplished without necessarily requiring the muni to get =
into anything
complicated.
Owen
On Jan 29, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Leo Bicknell <bicknell@ufp.org> wrote:
> In a message written on Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:54:26PM -0500, Jay =
Ashworth wrote:
>> Hmmm. I tend to be a Layer-2-available guy, cause I think it lets =
smaller
>> players play. Does your position (likely more deeply thought out =
than=20
>> mine) permit Layer 2 with Muni ONT and Ethernet handoff, as long as =
clients
>> are *also* permitted to get a Layer 1 patch to a provider in the =
fashion you
>> suggest?
>=20
> No, and there's good reason why, I'm about to write a response to Owen
> that will also expand on why.
>=20
> There are a number of issues with the muni running the ONT:
>=20
> - Muni now has to have a different level of techs and truck rolls.
> - The Muni MMR now is much more complex, requiring power (including
> backup generators, etc) and likely 24x7 staff as a result.
> - The muni-ont will limit users to the technologies the ONT supports.
> If you want to spin up 96x10GE WDM your 1G ONT won't allow it.
> - The optic cost is not significantly different if the muni buys them
> and provides lit L2, or if the service/provider user provides them.
>=20
> The muni should sell L1 patches to anyone in the MMR. Note, this
> _includes_ two on-net buildings. So if your work and home are =
connected
> to the same muni-MMR you could order a patch from one to the other.
> It may now be max ~20km, so you'll need longer reach optics, but if =
you
> want to stand up 96x10GE WDM you're good to go.
>=20
> --=20
> Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org - CCIE 3440
> PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/
