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Re: Slashdot: UK ISP PlusNet Testing Carrier-Grade NAT Instead of IPv6
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Constantine A. Murenin)
Fri Jan 18 21:02:20 2013
In-Reply-To: <CAP-guGV-q=ii=rAY1gF43Wy0ESTPF_stBK7xBtSpZqcnF+jp3g@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:02:07 -0800
From: "Constantine A. Murenin" <mureninc@gmail.com>
To: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On 18 January 2013 14:00, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Jean-Francois Mezei
> <jfmezei_nanog@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> Should NAT become prevalent and prevent innovation because of its
>> limitations, this means that innovation will happen only with IPv6 which
>> means the next "must have" viral applications will require IPv6 and this
>> may spur the move away from an IPv4 that has been crippled by NAT
>> everywhere.
>
> It won't happen and I'll tell you why not.
>
> Client to client communication block diagrams:
>
> Without NAT:
> Client->Router->Router->Router->Router->Router->Client
>
> With NAT:
> Client->Router->Router->Relay->Router->Router->Client
>
> At a high level, the two communication diagrams are virtually identical.
>
> Add killer app. By it's nature, a killer app is something folks will
> pay good money for. This means that 100% of killer apps have
> sufficient funding to install those specialty relays.
>
> Odds of a killer app where one router can't be replaced with a
> specialty relay while maintaining the intended function: not bloody
> likely.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
The killer app of the internet is called p2p.
Don't we already have a shortage of IPv4 addresses to start abandoning
p2p, and requiring every service to be server-based, wasting extra
precious IPv4 addresses?
Where's the logic behind this: make it impossible for two computers
to community directly because we have a shortage of addresses, yet
introduce a third machine with, again, rather limited resources, to
waste another IPv4 address? Wasting all kinds of extra resources and
adding extra latency? That's not a killer app, that's the
inefficiency of capitalism.
C.
