[159412] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: OOB core router connectivity wish list
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jared Mauch)
Thu Jan 10 09:59:03 2013
From: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
In-Reply-To: <CAL9jLabcyTQns31FO1Pys0Mc3-E_=Ng46Saj5njL1JwYmUWRQg@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:54:40 -0500
To: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Jan 10, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Christopher Morrow =
<morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> - rs232: please no. it's 2013. I don't want or need a =
protocol which
>> was designed for access speeds appropriate to the 1980s.
>=20
> I don't think you can get ethernet and transport out-of-the-area in
> some places at a reasonable cost, so having serial-console I think is
> still a requirement.
I think it does beg a few questions though:
Some of the POTS carriers are trying to jettison their equipment before =
the end of this decade. In the absence of a modem + console server, I =
think that IP transport is going to become increasingly important for =
this function, but honestly - the vendors aren't mature in this space =
for core equipment. Without the ability to access the removable media =
in the 2010 timeframe at boot time is a major oversight. There is no =
consistent learning or 'continual improvement' in this space.
I tried to give some focus to this about a decade ago for one vendor and =
it led to interesting discussions at first, but it is often so low in =
acquisition priorities it doesn't show up.
Anyone dealing with modern servers will know of the experience with the =
few seconds to sync up to the VGA signal and how that can allow you to =
miss the "Press DEL/F1/F2/F8/F12" messages. The modernization of =
equipment in this space has led to side-effects. I'm =85 (wanted to say =
fearful, but=85) concerned with what they will concoct given their =
independent thought at times.
Now that being said, the idea of an industry document may be something =
we can collaborate on as a group to list what doesn't work and why. =
(e.g.: I think Roland is confusing ROMMON w/ management ethers.. these =
can be the same physical port, but not always). =20
- Jared=
