[158741] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Why do some providers require IPv6 /64 PA space to have public
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Patrick W. Gilmore)
Sat Dec 8 22:23:19 2012
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net>
In-Reply-To: <CAFANWtV8xSxqkgX7f3A1240US4oT_P3Aq6DWujba3SB9=bMgQw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 22:23:00 -0500
To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
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On Dec 08, 2012, at 21:14 , Darius Jahandarie <djahandarie@gmail.com> =
wrote:
> =08On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Dan Luedtke <mail@danrl.de> wrote:
>> Off-topic but somehow important to me:
>>> HE has an open-peering policy (AFAIK);
>>> which basically means that tunnelbroker.net traffic is free for
>>> hetzner.de
>>=20
>> Is that true?
>> That would be great!
>=20
> Just because companies A and B don't have a customer relationship
> doesn't mean all their interactions with each other are free.
>=20
> So no, it's not true. Costs come from needing to buy bigger routers,
> bigger waves or fiber to the exchanges, bigger ports on the exchanges,
> etc.
>=20
> "Peering is a scam."
The vast majority of AS-AS boundaries on the Internet are settlement =
free peering. I guess that makes the Internet a scam.
As for the costs involved, "free" is a relative term. Most people think =
of peering as "free" because there is zero marginal cost. Kinda. =
Obviously if you think of your 10G IX port as a sunk cost, pushing 11 =
Gbps over it is not 'free' as you have to upgrade. But again, most =
people understand what is meant.
Bigger waves & bigger routers are not due to peering, they are due to =
customer traffic - you know, the thing ISPs sell. Put another way, this =
is a Good Thing (tm). Or at least it should be. Unless, of course, you =
are trying to convince us all that selling too many units of your =
primary product is somehow bad.
Peering allows you, in most cases, to lower the Cost Of Goods Sold on =
that product. Again, usually a Good Thing (tm). Unless you are again =
trying to convince us all that selling at a higher margin (we'll ignore =
the lower latency & better overall experience) is somehow bad.
--=20
TTFN,
patrick
