[158645] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: /. ITU Approves Deep Packet Inspection
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Wed Dec 5 18:16:52 2012
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <50BFD394.3080402@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 15:14:40 -0800
To: Tom Taylor <tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com>
Cc: Jeroen Massar <jeroen@massar.ch>, nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Dec 5, 2012, at 15:07 , Tom Taylor <tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 05/12/2012 2:11 PM, Jeroen Massar wrote:
>> On 2012-12-05 14:01, Tom Taylor wrote:
>>> I'm seriously not clear why Y.2770 is characterized as "negotiated
>>> behind closed doors". Any drafts were available to all participants =
in
>>> the ITU-T, on exactly the same terms as drafts of other =
Recommendations.
>>> As an example, the draft coming out of the October, 2011 meeting can =
be
>>> seen at http://www.itu.int/md/T09-SG13-111010-TD-WP4-0201/en. (I =
have
>>> access delegated by a vendor to whom I have been consulting, by =
virtue
>>> of their membership in the ITU-T.)
>>=20
>> So, how exactly can most people on for instance this list access that
>> URL? You yourself would not be able to access it where it not that =
you
>> found some loophole setup.
>>=20
> ...
> Agreed that the ITU-T is a membership organization, but the Questions =
and Study Group work programs are open to view (Q. 17/13 specifically =
covers DPI, and has more documents coming down the pipe). If you want to =
follow some Question you can probably get access through your government =
(State Dept. in the US, Dept. of Communications in Canada). The =
membership rules don't apply so stringently to Rapporteurs' meetings, so =
you can get in touch with the Rapporteur of a Question you are =
interested in and find out where to get copies of documents contributed =
into those meetings.
>=20
> All this is by the by -- you are more likely to be affected by the =
IETF than by anything coming out of the ITU-T.
I am affected by ITU-T every day.
I use telephones.
I am a Ham radio operator.
I am a pilot.
I use international digital circuits.
All of these things are affected by ITU-T.
Yes, anyone willing to expend enough effort and/or resources can get =
behind many of the closed doors for a non-participatory role in ITU =
process. To become participatory, you must be a government or invited by =
a government as part of their delegation.
Contrasting this to the openness of the IETF, ICANN, and the RIRs, I =
think there is a pretty strong case to be made that the ITU is a =
closed-door process by comparison.
Owen
