[158433] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Thu Nov 29 22:26:17 2012
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <50B7BE61.9050403@localnet.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:22:48 -0800
To: Tom Beecher <tbeecher@localnet.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Yes, but if you are operating a TOR node, it's not entirely clear to me =
that you are not actually an ISP (whether you
realize that or not).
You are, after all, providing a form of internet access to non-paying =
customers.
Owen
On Nov 29, 2012, at 11:58 , Tom Beecher <tbeecher@localnet.com> wrote:
> Not really comparable.
>=20
> Speaking from a US point of view, ISPs has strong legal protections =
isolating them from culpability for the actions of their customers. I =
know internationally things are different, but here in the US the ISP =
doesn't get dinged, except in certain cases where they are legally =
required to remove access to material and don't.
>=20
> End users have no such protections that I'm aware of that cover them =
similarly.
>=20
> On 11/29/2012 2:50 PM, George Herbert wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Tom Beecher <tbeecher@localnet.com> =
wrote:
>>> Assuming it's true, it was bound to happen. Running anything , TOR =
or
>>> otherwise, that allows strangers to do whatever they want is just =
folly.
>> Such as, say, an Internet Service Provider business?
>>=20
>> ...
>>=20
>=20
