[158366] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Thu Nov 29 00:31:32 2012
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <47486090-B3D3-421A-AD54-49EE16A3C1D1@arbor.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:27:41 -0800
To: "Dobbins, Roland" <rdobbins@arbor.net>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Nov 28, 2012, at 4:17 PM, "Dobbins, Roland" <rdobbins@arbor.net> =
wrote:
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> On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:04 AM, Tony Hain wrote:
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>> Getting the cpe vendors to ship in quantity requires the ISP =
engineering organizations to say in unison "we are deploying IPv6 and =
will only recommend products that pass testing".
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> Do you see any evidence of that occurring? I don't.
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Yes.
Comcast, Cable Labs, Time Warner are doing pretty well at this now. =
Others there is room for improvement, but it's definitely better than a =
year ago.
> Also, a lot of broadband consumers and enterprise organizations buy =
and deploy their own CPE. Do you see a lot of IPv6 activity there? I =
don't, excepting an IPv6 RFP checkbox for enterprises, which doesn't =
have any formal requirements and is essentially meaningless because of =
that fact.
Very little, but, most of those buy based on the "supported device" list =
from their carrier, so=85
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>> You claim to be looking for the economic incentive, but are looking =
with such a short time horizon that all you see are the 'waste' products =
vendors
>> are pushing to make a quick sale, knowing that you will eventually =
come back for yet-another-hack to delay transition, and prop up your =
expertise in a
>> legacy technology.
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> No.
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> What I am looking for is an economic incentive which will justify the =
[IMHO] wildly overoptimisitic claims which some are making in re =
ubiquitous end-to-end native IPv6 deployment.
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> Otherwise, I believe it will be a much more gradual adoption curve, as =
you indicate.
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The inability to add customers to IPv4 will become a factor in this. 60% =
of the world's population still isn't on the internet and I expect a =
significant fraction of that will be coming on in the next 2-4 years.
Owen
