[156859] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: RIRs give out unique addresses (Was: something has a /8! ...)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Thu Sep 27 22:36:52 2012
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <2A76E400AC84B845AAC35AA19F8E7A5D0C6FF97D@MUNEXBE1.medline.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 19:32:17 -0700
To: "Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund@medline.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
I believe that this section of NRPM says no.
4.3.5. Non-connected Networks
End-users not currently connected to an ISP and/or not planning to be =
connected to the Internet are encouraged to use private IP address =
numbers reserved for non-connected networks (see RFC 1918). When =
private, non-connected networks require interconnectivity and the =
private IP address numbers are ineffective, globally unique addresses =
may be requested and used to provide this interconnectivity.
Owen
On Sep 20, 2012, at 7:56 AM, "Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund@medline.com> =
wrote:
> I suppose that ARIN would say that they do not guarantee routability
> because they do not have operational control of Internet routers.
> However, Wouldn't you say that there is a very real expectation that
> when you request address space through ARIN or RIPE that it would be
> routable? I would think that what ARIN and RIPE are really saying is
> that they issue unique addresses and you need to get your service
> provider to route them. FWIW, the discussion of the military having
> addresses pulled back is pretty much a non-starter unless they want to
> give them back. When the management of IP address space was moved =
from
> the US DoD, there were memorandums of understanding that the military
> controlled their assigned address space and nothing would change that.
> I know this for a fact because I was around this discussion in the US
> Air Force.
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> Steven Naslund
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran@arin.net]=20
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:40 AM
> To: Jeroen Massar
> Cc: NANOG list
> Subject: Re: RIRs give out unique addresses (Was: something has a /8!
> ...)
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> On Sep 20, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Jeroen Massar <jeroen@unfix.org>
> wrote:
>> On 2012-09-20 16:01 , John Curran wrote:
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>>> It's very clear in the ARIN region as well. =46rom the ARIN Number=20=
>>> Resource Policy Manual (NRPM),=20
>>> <https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four11> -
>>>=20
>>> "4.1. General Principles 4.1.1. Routability Provider independent
>>> (portable) addresses issued directly from ARIN or other Regional=20
>>> Registries are not guaranteed to be globally routable."
>>=20
>> While close, that is not the same.
>>=20
>> The RIPE variant solely guarantees uniqueness of the addresses.
>>=20
>> The ARIN variant states "we don't guarantee that you can route it=20
>> everywhere", which is on top of the uniqueness portion.
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> Agreed - I called it out because ARIN, like RIPE, does not assert that
> the address blocks issued are "publicly routable address space"=20
> (i.e. which was Tim Franklin's original statement, but he did not have
> on hand the comparable ARIN reference for that point.)
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> FYI,
> /John
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