[156590] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: RIRs give out unique addresses (Was: something has a /8! ...)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Schiller, Heather A)
Thu Sep 20 11:11:40 2012
From: "Schiller, Heather A" <heather.schiller@verizon.com>
To: "Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund@medline.com>, "nanog@nanog.org"
<nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:10:17 -0400
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There is no such thing as "Internet routers" there are my routers, your ro=
uters, and that guy over there's routers. Even if you get your ISP to rout=
e it for you - that does not guarantee that any other network anywhere else=
on the internet will accept the route. Getting your ISP to accept your pr=
efix is arguably, only a small part of being reachable/routable. =20
--Heather=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Naslund, Steve [mailto:SNaslund@medline.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:56 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: RIRs give out unique addresses (Was: something has a /8! ...)
I suppose that ARIN would say that they do not guarantee routability becaus=
e they do not have operational control of Internet routers.
However, Wouldn't you say that there is a very real expectation that when y=
ou request address space through ARIN or RIPE that it would be routable? I=
would think that what ARIN and RIPE are really saying is that they issue u=
nique addresses and you need to get your service provider to route them. FW=
IW, the discussion of the military having addresses pulled back is pretty m=
uch a non-starter unless they want to give them back. When the management =
of IP address space was moved from the US DoD, there were memorandums of un=
derstanding that the military controlled their assigned address space and n=
othing would change that.
I know this for a fact because I was around this discussion in the US Air F=
orce.
Steven Naslund
-----Original Message-----
From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran@arin.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:40 AM
To: Jeroen Massar
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: RIRs give out unique addresses (Was: something has a /8!
...)
On Sep 20, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Jeroen Massar <jeroen@unfix.org>
wrote:
> On 2012-09-20 16:01 , John Curran wrote:
>>=20
>> It's very clear in the ARIN region as well. From the ARIN Number=20
>> Resource Policy Manual (NRPM),=20
>> <https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four11> -
>>=20
>> "4.1. General Principles 4.1.1. Routability Provider independent
>> (portable) addresses issued directly from ARIN or other Regional=20
>> Registries are not guaranteed to be globally routable."
>=20
> While close, that is not the same.
>=20
> The RIPE variant solely guarantees uniqueness of the addresses.
>=20
> The ARIN variant states "we don't guarantee that you can route it=20
> everywhere", which is on top of the uniqueness portion.
Agreed - I called it out because ARIN, like RIPE, does not assert that the =
address blocks issued are "publicly routable address space"=20
(i.e. which was Tim Franklin's original statement, but he did not have on h=
and the comparable ARIN reference for that point.)
FYI,
/John
