[156471] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Big Temporary Networks
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jo Rhett)
Tue Sep 18 18:15:29 2012
From: Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAP-guGW=_mZg8ZAMJWEmPqyxot=VeXpGN51tXgWYoS7XhagT-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:14:37 -0700
To: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
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On Sep 18, 2012, at 1:47 PM, William Herrin wrote:
>> That has been true everywhere that Worldcon has been for a
>> number of years, excluding Japan. Hotel union contracts
>> generally forbid activity being done by any non-union people,
>> even if they are the guests.
>=20
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law
>=20
> ''A "right-to-work" law is a statute that prohibits union security
> agreements, or agreements between labor unions and employers that
> govern the extent to which an established union can require employees'
> membership [...] as a condition of employment. Right-to-work laws
> exist in twenty-three U.S. states,''
Well, Bill, this starts the legal dance equivalent of "patches =
accepted", that being "you are welcome to sue against this with your own =
money".
Not being aware of which states have this law, it's entirely possible =
that the intersection between states that have this law and states which =
have enough scifi fans willing to get together to host a worldcon is =
negligible. I can only recall ~9 states which have hosted a worldcon in =
the last 30 years. Checking the easily found references pages seems to =
confirm this although I didn't bother checking extensively.
I'm closely associated and personal friends with people who have done =
the hotel negotiations for four of the recent worldcons, and on a first =
name basis with most of the others, and this union requirement has been =
a major problem with most if not all of them. Just getting a waiver to =
allow people to serve drinks in their own hotel rooms has been hard =
enough to break many bids. It is currently impossible in San Francisco =
due to hotel contracts, and part of why Worldcon will never return to =
San Francisco unless very unlikely changes happen.
--=20
Jo Rhett
Net Consonance : net philanthropy to improve open source and internet =
projects.
