[155783] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Fair Use Policy
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Wed Aug 22 22:19:29 2012
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <11A4A618-36F7-4F08-88B5-D02F732339F8@seattlefenix.net>
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:15:45 -0700
To: Benjamin Krueger <benjamin@seattlefenix.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
I just wish that someone...Google or ANYONE else would do something like =
Google Fiber in the technological wasteland where I live instead of =
focusing only on hotbeds of high-speed internet and well-connected =
customers like Kansas City, parts of North Dakota, Minnesota, etc.
Here in my bandwidth ghetto, TPC can't do better than 1.5Mbps/384kbps =
and Cable has different limitations (ridiculous fees for static =
addresses, for example[1]), extremely variable performance (most days, I =
do pretty well getting 50-70Mbps/10-30Mbps on a line where I pay for =
30/10, but often enough to be annoying, I get 7Mbps/3Mbps for 8-10 hours =
at a time...Just long enough to go through the trouble report process =
but not long enough to still be a problem when the tech shows up to =
address the issue.), etc.
I'd love to ditch the DSL line and relegate the Cable circuit to backup =
status (and move to a lower pricing tier on it) with my primary on FTTH.
[1] I _HAVE_ business class cable service, but I find the idea of =
$5+/month for an address that costs them less than $0.001/year =
ridiculous.
Where is this barren wasteland of bandwidth you may ask? It's in San =
Jose, California. Capitol of Silicon Valley. If I stand on the top of my =
roof, I can see 55 South Market Street on a clear day. (but I have to =
stand in just the right spot and look through just the right piece of =
the 280x680x101 interchange).
If anyone wants to do a fiber build in my neighborhood ala Google, I =
will happily go door to door soliciting my neighbors on their behalf.
Owen
On Aug 22, 2012, at 18:46 , Benjamin Krueger <benjamin@seattlefenix.net> =
wrote:
> A unique position? Unlike those poor residential ISPs who only have =
literally millions of subscribers to use as leverage in peering =
negotiations. Perhaps more accurately, rather than saying "Google can =
afford to start almost any project they want" we should say "Google =
doesn't suffer the temptation of wringing every last penny out of their =
aging infrastructure to ensure maximum profits from minimal =
investments".
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> I don't want to turn this into a long-drawn debate, so I'll simply say =
that I take Google at their word when they say this is profitable from =
Day 1 and I surely take their product offering at its word. I'm not sure =
who proposed we require anything, but I suppose we can let the market =
decide what ISPs are "required" to do. I can say that I don't know =
anyone who wouldn't drop any existing residential service for what =
Google is selling. Perhaps they will succumb to some unforeseen =
boogeyman as you allude to, but to be honest that sounds a whole lot =
like the wishful thinking of an industry that has been deftly =
out-manueverd at its own game and now finds itself dramatically behind =
the curve. Frankly, if I were in the ISP business I would be shitting my =
pants.
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> On Aug 22, 2012, at 6:05 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
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>> On 8/22/12, Benjamin Krueger <benjamin@seattlefenix.net> wrote:
>>> Yeah, totally can't be done. It especially can't be done profitably.
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>> Google can afford to start almost any project they want, and they =
are
>> in a unique position to negotiate peering and access to a ton of
>> bandwidth, with their Youtube, Google Search et al. As to whether it
>> will be profitable, well, obviously, that is their claim. It's yet to
>> be demonstrated.
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>> I gotta reject the idea that broadband providers should be required =
to
>> follow in Google's footsteps though.
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>> For now, Google fiber is another risky experiment, that could have a
>> great payout if successful, or could be shuttered within a year or =
so,
>> or fees/rate incs tacked on, when they figure out just what a mess
>> they have gotten into.
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>>> http://fiber.google.com/
>>> =
http://gigaom.com/2012/07/26/the-economics-of-google-fiber-and-what-it-mea=
ns-for-u-s-broadband/
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>> --
>> -JH
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