[155335] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Sun Aug 5 14:56:07 2012
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <491h8dkclrcroqrkb7sw58yg.1344169703914@email.android.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:52:24 -0700
To: Peter Kristolaitis <alter3d@alter3d.ca>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Agreed. My point was that the police have the least of all emergency =
services to do with protection of life and property and that a gun or a =
dog only helps you with the functions that they can perform.
People depend on 911 for much more than just police and if you're trying =
to come up with an alternate plan, it's much more important to address =
the questions of emergency medical services and fire protection than the =
relatively lower risk of threats from an intruder.
Owen
On Aug 5, 2012, at 05:50 , Peter Kristolaitis <alter3d@alter3d.ca> =
wrote:
> My point is more along the line of if you're depending on a service =
which provides only best-effort on uptime (as Bill Herrin mentioned, =
some providers can barely manage 2 nines of 911 uptime) and to which =
you're connected by a single, fault-prone connection, and which provides =
no guarantee of service even if you CAN contact them, calling it =
"critical" is kind of a joke, and you'd probably get laughed at by a =
risk analyst. If you're serious about protecting health and home, you'd =
better have some other plan in place that doesn't have a ridiculous =
number of single points of failure.
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> Pete
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> Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
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>> I've never met a dog properly trained in ACLS and I'm pretty sure =
that a gun isn't even useful for BLS.
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>> Owen
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>> On Aug 4, 2012, at 7:53 PM, Peter Kristolaitis <alter3d@alter3d.ca> =
wrote:
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>>> Considering that none of the services that can be dispatched by 911 =
are legally required to help you in most North American jurisdictions =
(i.e. if you call 911 and the police don't respond until they finish =
eating their box of donuts, they're not criminally or civilly liable), =
having working 911 services really doesn't guarantee you anything. Most =
security monitoring companies have contracts that are completely =
worthless and guarantee nothing as well. =20
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>>> If you're depending on 911 for life safety and property protection, =
I'd recommend revising that plan to include a dog and/or gun. :-) =20
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>>> - Pete
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>>> Nathan Eisenberg <nathan@atlasnetworks.us> wrote:
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>>>>> Residences aren't critical infrastructure, no matter how angry the =
owners get.
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>>>> 911 access isn't a critical service? Fire and security panels =
aren't critical services?
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>>>> If basic life safety and property protection aren't critical =
services, I'm not sure what is. These are peoples' lives and families =
and homes. There is nothing - repeat, nothing - more important than =
that. It is absolutely a critical service.
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>>>> Nathan Eisenberg
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