[155299] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: IPv6 End User Fee
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Otis L. Surratt, Jr.)
Sat Aug 4 00:06:15 2012
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 23:05:39 -0500
From: "Otis L. Surratt, Jr." <otis@ocosa.com>
To: "Cutler James R" <james.cutler@consultant.com>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
I was thinking about End User in a sense of one to simply consume a =
product or a service offered by a service provider. However, I should =
have left room for those that are assigned GUA space by a service =
provider and reassign space to their end users. (i.e. Allocated /48 and =
reassign /64 or /56)
I do agree that the infrastructure and management costs out way the =
costs of provider independent space. I agree it would be extremely =
difficult to setup some sort of fee for any prefix size in IPv6.
Then it's fair to say the approach should be simply to chalk the lose in =
IPv4 revenue and move on. It's not a big concern for us. I was just =
curious as to the large providers that make extra money off those =
wanting more IPv4 addresses.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Cutler James R [mailto:james.cutler@consultant.com]
Sent: Fri 8/3/2012 10:04 PM
To: Otis L. Surratt, Jr.
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: IPv6 End User Fee
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I would say that the typical usage, at least here in the US, is that an =
End User is the one holding an iPhone or sitting at a computer watching =
the Olympics, and, ultimately, paying that last mile fee.
Even using your definition, the costs of connectivity (routers, wires, =
management) far exceeds the cost of addressing. Given the quantity of =
numbers available for IP addressing, it is does not make economic sense =
to even construct a billing mechanism for IPv6 addressing beyond those =
of the LIRs, RIRs, etc. Purchase IPv6 connectivity includes the =
assumption of IPv6 addressing included.
On Aug 3, 2012, at 7:32 PM, "Otis L. Surratt, Jr." <otis@ocosa.com> =
wrote:
> By end user I mean hosting clients (cloud, collocation, shared, =
dedicated, VPS, etc.) of any sort. For example you have clients that =
would need....say /24 for their dedicated server. If you charge a =
$1.00/IP which is typical then you would lose that revenue if they =
converted to IPv6. If you didn't charge for IPv4 then you have nothing =
to to lose.
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> Otis
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> From: Cutler James R [mailto:james.cutler@consultant.com]
> Sent: Fri 8/3/2012 3:48 PM
> To: Otis L. Surratt, Jr.
> Cc: NANOG list
> Subject: Re: IPv6 End User Fee
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> On Aug 3, 2012, at 3:22 PM, "Otis L. Surratt, Jr." <otis@ocosa.com> =
wrote:
> > Anyone charging end users for IPv6 space yet? :p
> >
> > <snip/>
> > Otis
> >
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> I can't imagine that this would be anything but counterproductive. =
End users are not interested in IPv6 - most would not recognize IPv6 if =
it fell out of their screen. End users want working connectivity, not =
jargon.=20
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> James R. Cutler
> james.cutler@consultant.com
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