[153907] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Dave Edelman)
Fri Jun 15 19:37:26 2012
In-Reply-To: <5F1321EE-4120-47C3-B2B8-9F945498EBD5@delong.com>
From: Dave Edelman <dedelman@iname.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 19:37:10 -0400
To: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Dave Edelman
On Jun 15, 2012, at 16:43, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
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> On Jun 15, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
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>>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:59:26 -0400, Jay Ashworth said:
>>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57453738-83/fbi-dea-warn-ipv6-could-sh=
ield-criminals-from-police/
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>> The article sure does have a lot of threatening and smack-down tones towa=
rd service providers (us):
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>> "We're looking at a problem that's about to occur,""It occurs as service p=
roviders start to roll out V6."
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>> Our fault, no one else's...
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> Who else would you blame for failing to update whois?
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>> "This is not a question of willful rejection,""ISPs are happy to do this.=
They're just lazy...It doesn't have a direct impact on them and their abili=
ty to get new address space because they don't need new address space."=20
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>> Yep, we're definitely the lazy ones. No one else.
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> Again, when it comes to failing to update whois, that's kind of where the b=
uck stops.
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>> "We're hoping through all of this you can come up with some self-regulato=
ry method in which you can do it," "Because otherwise, there will be other t=
hings that people are going to consider."=20
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>> That's definitely a threat.
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> Reality is that we have always lived in an environment where adequate self=
regulation is the only thing that prevents us from being subjected to drama=
tically worse government-based regulation. So, as it is a threat, it is also=
a statement of the reality that exists.
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> Personally, I think that the article is counter-productive for the FBI in w=
hat they are trying to achieve.
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> It is interesting that not one ISP stepped up to say "Our policy is to kee=
p whois up to date for our IPv6 delegations just as we do now with our IPv4 d=
elegations." Had CNET contacted HE, that's the answer they would have receiv=
ed. Is it really so hard?
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>> "We're hoping that people in the community seize the opportunity to work a=
nd to have that self-regulation, because, if not, if all of the different go=
vernments then get involved, it could get uglier."=20
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>> Yeah, that one, too.
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> Sure, it's a threat. In case you haven't noticed, threats are the primary t=
ool of law enforcement. The FBI is a law enforcement agency. Nothing to see h=
ere. Move along.
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>> Yep, that's the kind of attitude that fosters community cooperation. Yep=
. That's it...
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> When people carrying guns threaten the community, it does, in fact tend to=
foster community cooperation, at least at that very moment.
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> Owen
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Compliance maybe, cooperation not really.=20
--Dave=
