[153899] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ZOMG: IPv6 a plot to stymie FBI !!!11!ONE!
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Fri Jun 15 16:46:52 2012
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <20120615122340.EEE7551A@m0005296.ppops.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:43:47 -0700
To: surfer@mauigateway.com
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Jun 15, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
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>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:59:26 -0400, Jay Ashworth said:
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57453738-83/fbi-dea-warn-ipv6-could-shiel=
d-criminals-from-police/
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> The article sure does have a lot of threatening and smack-down tones =
toward service providers (us):
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> "We're looking at a problem that's about to occur,""It occurs as =
service providers start to roll out V6."
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> Our fault, no one else's...
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Who else would you blame for failing to update whois?
> "This is not a question of willful rejection,""ISPs are happy to do =
this. They're just lazy...It doesn't have a direct impact on them and =
their ability to get new address space because they don't need new =
address space."=20
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> Yep, we're definitely the lazy ones. No one else.
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Again, when it comes to failing to update whois, that's kind of where =
the buck stops.
> "We're hoping through all of this you can come up with some =
self-regulatory method in which you can do it," "Because otherwise, =
there will be other things that people are going to consider."=20
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> That's definitely a threat.
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Reality is that we have always lived in an environment where adequate =
self regulation is the only thing that prevents us from being subjected =
to dramatically worse government-based regulation. So, as it is a =
threat, it is also a statement of the reality that exists.
Personally, I think that the article is counter-productive for the FBI =
in what they are trying to achieve.
It is interesting that not one ISP stepped up to say "Our policy is to =
keep whois up to date for our IPv6 delegations just as we do now with =
our IPv4 delegations." Had CNET contacted HE, that's the answer they =
would have received. Is it really so hard?
> "We're hoping that people in the community seize the opportunity to =
work and to have that self-regulation, because, if not, if all of the =
different governments then get involved, it could get uglier."=20
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> Yeah, that one, too.
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Sure, it's a threat. In case you haven't noticed, threats are the =
primary tool of law enforcement. The FBI is a law enforcement agency. =
Nothing to see here. Move along.
> Yep, that's the kind of attitude that fosters community cooperation. =
Yep. That's it...
When people carrying guns threaten the community, it does, in fact tend =
to foster community cooperation, at least at that very moment.
Owen
