[152749] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Cogent for ISP bandwidth
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ameen Pishdadi)
Tue May 15 00:31:13 2012
In-Reply-To: <4FB1D243.6000405@snappydsl.net>
From: Ameen Pishdadi <apishdadi@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 23:32:42 -0500
To: "Faisal@snappydsl.net" <Faisal@snappydsl.net>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Has nothing to do with whether or not they deal with all the major carriers ,=
they are a budget provider , always have , always will be. Aside from that w=
hat matters the most is eye ball user connectivity and level3 , AT&T, Verizo=
n significantly have more eye balls connected directly to there network then=
cogent , we have cogent and level3 and 5 other providers on our Chicago net=
work , with out any traffic engineering almost every thing will come in or g=
o out level3, we use traffic optimizing equipment to automate our commit lev=
els and also do performance based routing adjustments , I literally have to p=
ut a gun to its head to get a descent amount of traffic out to cogent , you m=
ay say it's a matter of opinion but statistics don't lie, even Telia out per=
forms cogent according to stats , not just cause they have a massive eye bal=
l network in Europe.
Ask yourself , who are the majority customers of cogent? Not end user ISPs ,=
hosting companies aka content providers, and when there selling bandwidth c=
heaper then it costs to peer then there going to keep there costs to the min=
imum ... Cheaper is cheaper , the saying is true , you get what you pay for.=
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A Kia and Ferrari can both get me from point a to point b, but the Ferrari i=
s capable of getting me there way quicker, and yes I'm going to pay a premiu=
m for it but if I'm going from NYC to San Fran I'd definitely feel safer in t=
he Ferrari reliability wise and get there a hell of a lot quicker...=20
But like I said and the other 10 replies nothing wrong with cogent in a nice=
blend of 3 or more other providers ...
Thanks,
Ameen Pishdadi
On May 14, 2012, at 10:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal@snappydsl.net> wrote:
> I often tell folks, Cogent is the 'Heidi Fleiss' of the industry ...... pr=
etty much everyone of the major carriers / providers deal with them.. but no=
one wants to admit it.
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> I don't think there is any carrier out there that could be considered 'Pre=
mium' in terms of quality of service (yeah their are a lot of folks who are P=
remium based on what they charge)...
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> One can only hedge one's bet for a quality connection by having multiple p=
roviders (you can mix and match) or go with some one like Internap or Tinet (=
folks who are taking traffic across multiple providers at their POP).
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> Of course your mileage may vary.... as long as you have alternate connecti=
vity, it makes dealing with issues more palatable, whether it is Cogent or L=
evel3...
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> Regards.
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> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet& Telecom
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> On 5/14/2012 10:38 PM, Ameen Pishdadi wrote:
>> No way they stack up against level3 or any of the other 4 big tier 1s but=
if you throw them in a blend with level3 there shouldn't be any issue and I=
wouldn't pay more the .75 cents a meg for a gig
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>> Thanks,
>> Ameen Pishdadi
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>> On May 14, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Jason Baugher<jason@thebaughers.com> wrote:=
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>>> The emails on the Outages list reminded me to ask this question...
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>>> I've done some searching and haven't been able to find much in the last 3=
years as to their reliability and suitability as an upstream provider. For a=
regional ISP looking for GigE ports in the Chicago/St. Louis area, is Cogen=
t a reasonable solution? Our gut feeling is that they don't stack up against=
a Level3 or Sprint, but they are being very aggressive with pricing to try a=
nd get our business.
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>>> Thanks,
>>> Jason
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