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Re: rpki vs. secure dns?

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Alex Band)
Mon Apr 30 03:18:49 2012

From: Alex Band <alexb@ripe.net>
In-Reply-To: <4F9DA9A1.9000301@foobar.org>
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:18:12 +0200
To: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org


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On 29 Apr 2012, at 22:50, Nick Hilliard wrote:

> On 28/04/2012 14:04, Alex Band wrote:
>> At RIPE 63, six months ago, the RIPE NCC membership got a chance to =
vote
>> on RPKI at the general meeting. The result was that the RIPE NCC has =
the
>> green light to continue offering the Resource Certification service,
>> including all BGP Origin Validation related functionality. It's =
correct
>> that concerns were raised in the area of security, resilience and
>> operator autonomy, as you mention. These concerns are continuously =
being
>> evaluated and addressed. The response to the update that was given at
>> RIPE 64 two weeks ago indicated that the membership and Community are
>> happy with the approach the RIPE NCC is taking in this regard. Of =
course
>> I realize that some people will never be convinced, no matter which
>> steps are taken=85
>=20
> Alex, I have to take exception with your statement that people in the =
RIPE
> region are generally happy about RPKI and the RIPE NCC RPKI project. =
They
> aren't.

That's not what I said. :)

> -  a substantial number of people, both within the RIPE community and
> within the RIPE NCC membership have serious concerns about the =
long-term
> legal consequences of this project which have not (in their opinion) =
been
> addressed adequately.


I already linked to my RIPE64 presentation from two weeks ago before, =
but here it is again:
https://ripe64.ripe.net/presentations/77-RIPE64-Plenery-RPKI.pdf

Slide 2-4: we heard you. This is what I said:

>> The response to the update that was given at
>> RIPE 64 two weeks ago indicated that the membership and Community are
>> happy with the approach the RIPE NCC is taking in this regard.

This is where I suspect you may be:

>> I realize that some people will never be convinced, no matter which
>> steps are taken=85

So all in all you quoted me well. :)

-Alex

Now getting in my car for some internet-free holidays in the sun. See =
you all in a week!=

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