[152337] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Andy Susag)
Wed Apr 25 17:29:04 2012
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:28:25 -0400
In-Reply-To: <295001cd2307$d3b91dc0$7b2b5940$@battleop.com>
From: "Andy Susag" <asusag@ifncom.net>
Cc: <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
We just recently "wrastled" with ARIN to get a whopping /22 from them,
it wasn't very easy.=20
Keeping record of what you have allocated downstream is important and I
totally agree with ARIN insisting this be done. Luckily as long as you
have an address, customer name, and a contact, you can issue reassign
simples to hostmaster. You don't have to walk your customers through
creating POCs and ORG-IDs. When you issue a reassign simple, it will
automatically create all that. As long as your allocations are 80% full,
you should be able to make a request. You might not get what you want
though.
Seems kind of counterproductive to ARIN though. I wouldn't think they'd
like a database full of fudged SWIP info, but I guess they're OK with
it...
-----Original Message-----
From: Richey [mailto:mylists@battleop.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 13:21
To: 'Kenneth McRae'; 'Owen DeLong'
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN
I got a new allocation about 18 months ago. I sent them a spread sheet
of the users and their current IPs. I changed the real customer name to
something that reflected what business they were in. So I had lots of
"Hotel Customer 1" and "Dr. Office 112" with what IPs they were using.
There was no way we were going to release a complete customer list to
anyone. They didn't seem to have a problem with this.
Richey
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth McRae [mailto:kenneth.mcrae@dreamhost.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 11:46 AM
To: Owen DeLong
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN
I have never provided the names of end users.. How the address space
would be utilized? Definitely.. But not the names of end users...
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
> There is not a new policy added on to prevent hoarding. What is=20
> required is what has been required for several years. Utilization=20
> information and proper justification.
>
> If you are seeking an ISP allocation, then, reassignment (customer)=20
> information is in fact part of that utilization information.
>
> Owen
>
> On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Kenneth McRae wrote:
>
> > Negative.. I have never had to provide end user information. I=20
> > have
> been
> > required to provide utilization information. I am sure this=20
> > "policy" is and add-on to make it more difficult to prevent
hoarding..
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Lassoff <jof@thejof.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:32 AM, <admin@thecpaneladmin.com>
wrote:
> >>> Anyone have any tips for getting IPs from ARIN? For an end-user
> >> allocation
> >>> they are requesting that we provide customer names for existing
> >> allocations,
> >>> which is information that will take a while to obtain. They are
> insisting
> >>> that this is standard process and something that everyone does=20
> >>> when requesting IPs. Has anyone actually had to do this?
> >>
> >> Indeed. It's worked this way for a long time.
> >>
> >> When starting a new organization, there's a bit of a chicken and=20
> >> egg problem with IP space. If anyone could get IP space just for=20
> >> asking for it, it would have been consumed too quickly. So,=20
> >> organizations must first get some space assigned to them from an=20
> >> upstream provider and begin using it.
> >> At some point the current usage and growth rate of the assigned=20
> >> space will justify a direct allocation.
> >>
> >> Then, you can renumber into your new space and be totally
independent.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> jof
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Kenneth McRae
> > *Sr. Network Engineer*
> > kenneth.mcrae@dreamhost.com
> > Ph: 323-375-3814
> > www.dreamhost.com
>
>
--
Best Regards,
Kenneth McRae
*Sr. Network Engineer*
kenneth.mcrae@dreamhost.com
Ph: 323-375-3814
www.dreamhost.com
