[151961] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: SORBS?!
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Patrick W. Gilmore)
Fri Apr 6 13:13:34 2012
From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net>
In-Reply-To: <4F7F03B9.80400@2mbit.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 11:02:32 -0400
To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
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On Apr 6, 2012, at 10:54 , Brielle Bruns wrote:
> On 4/4/12 3:36 PM, Landon Stewart wrote:
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>>>> It's best to not complain about it and just accept it as a fact of =
life
>>>> your IPs are listed on SORBS and move on. It's not the end of the =
world.
>>>>=20
>> It turns into a customer service issue for most service providers.
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> Eh, guess they'll just have to absorb the cost of that, like its =
expected that the recipients of spam have to absorb the cost of ISPs not =
disconnecting infected/spamming customers...
>=20
> And like how I have to absorb the costs of spending my time during the =
day answering removal requests from people who lie to me constantly and =
hope that I don't notice their little games.
>=20
> Ever wonder why it takes time for DNSbl's to process removals, =
sometimes very long periods? Well, someone's gotta pay for that time =
the removal person does it (and I have yet to see a dime of compensation =
for the time I spend).
No, they don't. Many DNSBLs use self-service tools. Someone has to =
write the tool, but the rest is automated. Total cost is power & space, =
which is frequently donated (I have personally donated some myself to =
DNSBLs I thought were well run).
Besides, anyone who knowingly causes harm to a third party and claims =
"it is a cost of doing business" or "mostly people like it" or "our $FOO =
is targeted and almost always correct, you must be an outlier and that's =
why it costs you" sound -exactly- like spammers to me.
Spammer who are up-front about it I can deal with. Don't agree with or =
even like them, but at least we understand each other. Hypocrisy is a =
different story.
--=20
TTFN,
patrick
