[151786] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: French Regulator to ask all your information about your Peering
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Raphael MAUNIER)
Fri Mar 30 18:15:44 2012
From: Raphael MAUNIER <rmaunier@neotelecoms.com>
To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 22:12:25 +0000
In-Reply-To: <4F762A21.7080907@init7.net>
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On Mar 30, 2012, at 23:46, "Fredy Kuenzler" <kuenzler@init7.net> wrote:
> Am 30.03.2012 23:20, schrieb Raphael MAUNIER:
>> Sorry Fredy, but you are living in a care bear world ?
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>> Do you think some people build an intense national backbone
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>> You were @GPF last week, when Martin asked : Who want this to be
>> regulated ? And Who want to have his peering controled ? why you didn't
>> raise your hand ?
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>> In my memory, no one did.
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>> I didn't get my peering with France Telecom, so I get in touch with them
>> and I have a fair contrat and I have a good backbone quality. In my
>> market, I need for now direct access to them, and that's life.
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>> My business is not made on the "wishes" to have free peering with my
>> incumbent.
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> I'm not saying I want this regulated, in fact I prefer to have it as it i=
s
> and keep authorities out of the game. That's why I didn't raise my hand.
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> But: Fact is that competition commissions and regulators are investigatin=
g
> against incumbents and such. They could have avoided this easily if they
> would have been more cooperative and keep their policy less restrictive. =
I
> don't blame anyone who is filing against someone who is abusing market po=
wer.
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> Now, obviously, the French regulator sees the trouble and trys to underst=
and
> and 'regulate' it the way they do it usually. From our perspective certai=
nly
> not a good way, but why blaming the regulator? Blame those which made it =
all
> happen! Read: the restrictive incumbents which put obstacles in the way o=
f
> everyone else.
I respect your position, but I'm not buying it. Those issue are the result =
of cheap transit provider trying to abuse their peers by selling a cheap ip=
transit and force the incumbent to upgrade.
That's exactly the start of all of this.
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> You've choosen to pay to get obstacles away. Others prefer to call the
> court. And probably the majority suffers in silence, especially the
> countless broadband users which actually pay our salaries and make our
> industry happening.
I came to see my incumbent to talk to them and really explain what I'm doin=
g, I spent time to explain and get their points and I had some very good di=
scussion about backbone and cost for a big eyeball ...=20
They told me : no one came to us to really understand what are really the "=
global cost" even the French regulator !
So I still don't buy it !
> Regulators should primarily care about those, and
> therefore it's good that the French regulator actually made a move, howev=
er
> arguably in the wrong direction.
That's my point here. We are on the same line.
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> F.
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