[151625] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Muni Fiber (was: Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Tue Mar 27 11:07:49 2012
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <0e9896df-924b-4fa7-af2f-f51c5e3b4d2d@email.android.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:03:44 -0700
To: Jay Ashworth <jra@baylink.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Actual public financed non-muni fiber is skipping the easy parts and =
deploying only a few of the hard parts.
(current actual results of USF)
How is that an improvement?
Owen
On Mar 25, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> Well, for my part, /most of the poiny/ of muni is The Public Good; if =
/actual/ bond financed muni fiber is skipping the Hard Parts, it =
deserves to lose.
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> Time to assemble some stats, I guess.
> -- jra
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> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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> Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
> Who cares?
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> It's time to stop letting rural deployments stand in the way of =
municipal deployments.
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> It's a natural part of living outside of a population center that it =
costs more to bring utility services to you. I'm not entirely opposed =
(though somewhat) to subsidizing that to some extent, but, I'm tired of =
municipal deployments being blocked by this sense of equal entitlement =
to rural.
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> The rural builds cost more, take longer, and yield lower revenues. It =
makes no sense to let that stand in the way of building out =
municipalities. Nothing prevents rural residents who have the means and =
really want their buildout prioritized from building a collective to get =
it done.
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> Subsidizing rural build-out is one thing. Failing to build out =
municipalities because of some sense of rural entitlement? That's just =
stupid.
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> Owen
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> Sent from my iPa
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> On Mar 24, 2012, at 12:42 PM, "Frank Bulk" <frnkblk@iname.com> wrote:
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> > How many munis serve the rural like they do the urban?
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> > In the vast majority of cases the munis end up doing what ILECs only =
wish they could do -- serve the most profitable customers.
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> > Frank
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jay Ashworth [mailto:jra@baylink.com]=20
> > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:52 PM
> > To: NANOG
> > Subject: Muni Fiber (was: Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc)
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> > <snip>
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> > Oh, it's *much* worse than that, John.
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> > The *right*, long term solution to all of these problems is for=20
> > municipalities to do the fiber build, properly engineered, and even=20=
> > subbed out to a contractor to build and possibly operate...=20
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> > offering *only* layer 1 service at wholesale. Any comer
> can
> light up
> > each city's pop, and offer retail service over the FTTH fiber to =
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> > customer at whatever rate they like, and the city itself doesn't =
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> > layer 2 or 3 service at all.
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> > High-speed optical data *is* the next natural monopoly, after power=20=
> > and water/sewer delivery, and it's time to just get over it and do =
it
> > right.
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> > As you might imagine, this environment -- one where the LEC doesn't =
own
> > the physical plant -- scares the ever-lovin' daylights out of =
Verizon
> > (among others), so much so that they *have gotten it made illegal* =
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> > several states, and they're lobbying to expand that footprint.
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> > See, among other sites: http://www.muninetworks.org/
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> > As you might imagine, I am a fairly strong proponent of muni layer 1 =
--
> > or even layer 2, where the municipality suppli
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> (matching) ONTs, and
> > services have to fit over GigE -- fiber delivery of high-speed data
> > service.
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> > I believe Google agrees with me. :-)
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> > Cheers,
> > -- jra
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> > Cheers,
> > -- jra
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> > Jay R. Ashworth Baylink =
jra@baylink.com
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