[151562] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Sat Mar 24 14:52:06 2012
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <02af01cd09ed$c288b250$479a16f0$@iname.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 11:47:40 -0700
To: "Frank Bulk" <frnkblk@iname.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Right, but a better approach would have been for the FCC to say "If you =
don't
build fiber, you won't keep getting USF money."
The FCC failed to look at the public interest and got rolled by the =
RBOCs again.
Owen
On Mar 24, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Frank Bulk wrote:
> Around the 2004 timeframe the RBOCs were having a discussion with the =
FCC,
> basically saying that if the FCC did not apply unbundling to their =
fiber
> builds they would build fiber, and that if the FCC did apply =
unbundling
> rules they would not. The FCC wanted fiber deployed, so they withheld
> applying unbundling rules.
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> Frank
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jimmy Hess [mailto:mysidia@gmail.com]=20
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:47 PM
> To: John T. Yocum
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity)
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> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM, John T. Yocum
> <john.yocum@fluidhosting.com> wrote:
>> VZ wants to get rid of their copper plant. It's expensive to =
maintain, and
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> As opposed to fiber plant which is indestructible and cheap to =
maintain?
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> Well, if VZ owns the copper, if it's not being used to provide a
> service, and the price of
> copper keeps going up, it's only a matter of time before VZ should
> want to take their bits of unused cable back. How useful is leaving
> a dormant loop in place just because someone might theoretically want
> it someday?
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> Seems like a waste for VZ not to reclaim it so it can be recycled/put
> to good use.
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>> it requires that they sell service to competitors. Once they've
> disconnected
>> their customers from it, they can just eliminate the copper plant. =
POTS
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> You sure the regulations won't eventually be updated to apply some
> rules to whatever POTS is being replaced with? Possibly years
> before they could finish eliminating their copper plant, which
> doesn't likely happen until the pricing allows POTS customers to get =
FiOS
> delivery installed for free as a cheaper alternative to POTS delivery.
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> --
> -JH
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