[151467] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Eric Wieling)
Thu Mar 22 13:47:50 2012
From: Eric Wieling <EWieling@nyigc.com>
To: Keegan Holley <keegan.holley@sungard.com>, Jared Mauch
<jared@puck.nether.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:46:53 -0400
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Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
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From: Keegan Holley [mailto:keegan.holley@sungard.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 1:41 PM
To: Jared Mauch
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al)
2012/3/22 Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
>
> On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:22 PM, Keegan Holley wrote:
>
> >
> > 2012/3/22 Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
> >
> > On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:05 AM, chris wrote:
> >
> > > I'm all for VZ being able to reclaim it as long as they open their
> fiber
> > > which I don't see happening unless its by force via government. At=20
> > > the
> end
> > > of the day there needs to be the ability to allow competitors in=20
> > > so of course they shouldnt be allowed to rip out the regulated=20
> > > part and
> replace
> > > it with a unregulated one.
> >
> >
> > Maybe I'm missing something, but how exactly does one share fiber?
> Isn't it usually a closed loop between DWDM or Sonet nodes? It=20
> doesn't seem fair to force the incumbents to start handing out lambdas=20
> and timeslots to their competitors on the business side. I guess=20
> passive optical can be shared depending on the details of the network,=20
> but that would still be much different than sharing copper pairs.
>
> You agree on a price per distance (e.g.: mile/foot/whatnot).
>
> Lets say the cable costs $25k to install for the distance of 5000 feet.
>
> That cable has 144 strands.
>
> You need access to one strand. If you install it yourself, it will=20
> cost you $25k. If you share the pro-rata cost, it comes out around=20
> $174 for that strand. Lets say they mark it up 10x (profit, unused=20
> strands), would you pay $1740 for access? What does emergency restoratio=
n cost?
>
I agree, but what if it's not as simple as a bunch of strands in a conduit.=
What if the plant is part of some sort of multiplexed network or GPON sol=
ution. That's alot harder to share with another carrier . But yes if it's=
simple stands of glass not plugged into anything in particular it can be s=
hared just like copper. Alot of the fiber plant out there isn't used this =
way though.
>
> WDM/DWDM add cost to that strand, but also increase the capacity based=20
> on what your overall lit capacity may be on a route. There are=20
> various cwdm/dwdm systems that range the usual 10/20/40/80/100km=20
> ranges. You obviously need to do the math yourselves on this. You=20
> may find the ROI is better than you think...
>
This is different than sharing cables. Any long distance carrier is still f=
ree to purchase service from any LEC. The term "sharing fiber" seemed to i=
mply that it's freely transferable from one company to the next. It largel=
y isn't though, which is why I think the FCC hasn't touched it yet.
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Verizon has no problem delivering service via fiber with a DSX-1 or Etherne=
t handoff. We simply want that service backhauled to us just like all our =
customers with service over copper with DSX-1 or Ethernet handoff.
